[me and morgan]

So I dont know if you can tell anything by these photos but here is Morgans feet..... So vet says founder farrier says navicular I say some one give me a straight answer I want to hlp her , today she walking fine so what could it be only after shes trimmed does she limp , old owner that has had her for 22 years say angle 56 front and 54 back,,,,,so is this somthing farrier should listen to me on and why the angle do you all think ...... hes had her for 22 years never a problem and i have had her for 5 months and every trim she walks like on eggs shells , then after a week shes fine so can u see anythng in her feet .....

OK thi sis the best I can do dont have cement anywhere unless i take her out to the black top , an thats not happening with colt still here yes please no bashing on chipping yes its only been two weeks since trim and I m mad they already look like this .......

Hope this helps......

[Ryle]

The only way to diagnose founder or navicular is for a vet to do a thorough examination of the feet to what part of the foot is painful and to take x-rays of the feet to determine if there are any changes in the bony structures of the feet. You cannot diagnose either condition just by looking at the outside of the foot.

Are you saying that she is only painful after being trimmed? If so I would have her evaluated to see if she is being trimmed too short or out of balance and also to determine if she is thin-walled or thin-soled on her feet thus causing more sensitivity. I would also consider trying a new farrier to see if the same problem occurs. Even after years of experience, a farrier can still do a poor job.

[Sue B]

It would really help to see the soles and dead on side views.

There is really no way to imply that a horse has navicular without extensive testing. However, it could be caudial heel pain that is often mistaken for navicular. Likewise, founder is not eveident from pics either.....that is generally dx with x-ray (rotation/sinking of the coffin bone). If it is just laminitis, then that would be evidend when the farrier trims. The white line would indicate some damage...there may also be bruising on the sole.

Those angles seem strange to me. In general, fronts are lower than hinds. Also, if the farrier has changed those angles form the 22 years that she has been kept at an exact angle, then my guess would be that she is more likely suffering from arthritis or at least adaption to the new angles. 56 degrees is rather steep for a front hoof.

Has the farrier used hoof testers to dx where the pain might be coming from? What has the vet done to dx the issue?

[me and morgan]

simply the vet used somthng that looked like a nipper and pressure on her feet she barely moved them .... said mild case of founder but I dont believe.... Other owner was here and sadi same said she was done to short I just wanted to see how her feeted looked to the eye not for a diagnosis...Im not a farrier and people see things others dont.... she rides fine after about 2 weeks total .....I have never grained her nor do we have pasture .....Hay and beet pulp for weight as she had baby 3 months ago and lost alot of weight ......So how do her feet look to the eye

[JBandRio]

The feet don't look like typical founder feet, even from these angles.

"Navicular" is a highly over-diagnosed issue.

If you could take pictures from dead on from the side, as Sue said, with the camera at ground level, feet on a firm, flat surface, and pictures of the soles, dead on center, that would be very helpful.

[me and morgan]

ok I will do that .....will post later

[me and morgan]

Bump ....I need help .....anyone

[bowfarm]

Originally Posted by me and morgan

simply the vet used somthng that looked like a nipper and pressure on her feet she barely moved them .... said mild case of founder but I dont believe.... Other owner was here and sadi same said she was done to short I just wanted to see how her feeted looked to the eye not for a diagnosis...Im not a farrier and people see things others dont.... she rides fine after about 2 weeks total .....I have never grained her nor do we have pasture .....Hay and beet pulp for weight as she had baby 3 months ago and lost alot of weight ......So how do her feet look to the eye

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To be perfectly frank.....They look horrible to my eye, both of them. Sorry but you asked.

I would not ride this horse until the feet are more functional, and that might be quite a long way off. Get a farrier who knows what they are doing. Good luck to you, hope you find someone to figure it out soon.

[loosie]

The angles you gave are strange. Generally the back feet should be a few degrees higher than the fronts, not the other way around. It depends on the horse what those angles are, but from the pix, it seems that this is too steep for your horse.

In the last 3 pics it looks as though the heels are WAY too high. This is often a cause of heel pain, tho it usually goes hand in hand with contraction, which from the sole pic, seems is not one of her problems. The sole pic shows quite long bars that could cause discomfort too.

Considering her age & that her feet have been like this for that long, if you do lower her heels, etc, do it very gradually, so as not to cause her undue discomfort and to evaluate how she's taking the changes.

[viclovsbaile]

lisen to the owner and ask more Qu and i think that the feet have been cut are two short and it ist helping without shoes the hoofs are falling apart so hope it helps