[lvmypnt]

Originally Posted by wyldterv

BUT how can you be for one and against the other when, technically they are the same thing ?

I guess everyone looks at it a little differently. And I know especially in the WP world line-breeding is the norm. But I think with all the awesome lines out there they could mix it up a little and not breed so incredibly close together.

Look at Flashy Zipper's pedigree. To me that is line-breeding. He does not have the same relatives (for lack of a better word) on the top and the bottom.

Mia's (the mare I posted about) pedigree has the same Grand Sires, Great Grand Sires and Great Great Grand Sires on the top and the bottom. To me that is in-bred (or tooooo tightly bred if you would perfer).

I am not a breeder or an expert on breeding. These are just my opinions and are not right or wrong. I do not care for an in-bred horse and to me there is a difference.

[PeggySue]

line breeding is when it works

inbreeding is when it doesn't

LMAO

[wyldterv]

Originally Posted by lvmypnt

I guess everyone looks at it a little differently. And I know especially in the WP world line-breeding is the norm. But I think with all the awesome lines out there they could mix it up a little and not breed so incredibly close together.

Look at Flashy Zipper's pedigree. To me that is line-breeding. He does not have the same relatives (for lack of a better word) on the top and the bottom.

Mia's (the mare I posted about) pedigree has the same Grand Sires, Great Grand Sires and Great Great Grand Sires on the top and the bottom. To me that is in-bred (or tooooo tightly bred if you would perfer).

I am not a breeder or an expert on breeding. These are just my opinions and are not right or wrong. I do not care for an in-bred horse and to me there is a difference.

I just am always a bit confuzzled at how anyone can say they like line-breeding but not inbreeding, when techincally they are one and the same, but line-breeding can be less overall concentrated for discussions purpose then what people call inbreeding .

I just don't want someone who is trying to learn about such things to think one is better or worse then the other, when in reality, there is no difference from a science and heritability standpoint

[lvmypnt]

Originally Posted by wyldterv

I just don't want someone who is trying to learn about such things to think one is better or worse then the other,

I will agree with this. It is all just a matter of preference.

[OzCowgirl]

If I wouldn't do it to humans, I wouldn't do it to horses. Cattle, sheep, pigs, chickens, rabbits... they're not horses. They're mass produced food. Dogs - eyes popping out, breathing problems, flat faces accentuated beyond belief, hip dysplasia... all traits exacerbated by inbreeding.

I know people have made nice horses by inbreeding siblings and parents, but I'm not personally prepared to take the risk of setting off something recessive, that should have stayed recessive. And would have if I hadn't put my stallion to his daughter.

There are people who are prepared to take that risk and accept the consequences which can be horrible, or wonderful. I'm not one of them.

I accept that linebreeding is in most pedigrees to some extent. But when I choose my horses I prefer ones that aren't bred too close. By doing so I don't restrict my own future breeding opportunities.

[wyldterv]

Originally Posted by OzCowgirl

...I know people have made nice horses by inbreeding siblings and parents, but I'm not personally prepared to take the risk of setting off something recessive, that should have stayed recessive. And would have if I hadn't put my stallion to his daughter..

AHHHHh but here is where people get a bit confused... A horse that carries a recessive trait (that you're unaware of it having) May produce that trait (good or bad trait) when bred to a close relative if that relative is also a carrier, OR they may ALSO produce it when breed to a totally unrelated line and happen to be bred to another carrier of that recessive.

Something staying recessive just means that it keeps populating more and more of the populace as carriers unbeknownst to you until crossed with another carrier to produce an effective.

[Haas Horse Farm]

The honest truth is that UNTIL THIS HORSE IS TESTED YOU DO NOT KNOW... I know many very Poco bred horses that have tested negative for Herda. N/N