Herda

JBandRio · 10-12-2007, 04:56 AM

Agree with Peggy, at age 9 he is unlikely to be affected by the disease, though he could be a carrier for sure.

bay_blnd jmpr07 · 10-12-2007, 06:21 AM

If he's been undersaddle the problem would have definately appeared already.

prettyqtrs · 10-12-2007, 07:51 AM

That is a lot of Poco Bueno. Not that it is a bad thing, but I would definately advise any potential buyers to have him tested prior to purchasing (especially if he's going to stay a stallion).
I don't see why the current owners haven't tested him. Or if they have...they aren't saying what the results came back as.

prairienights · 10-12-2007, 08:02 AM

Besides the high risk of being a carrier (I agree that he probably wouldn't have lasted this long if he had it), I just don't agree with that much inbreeding. There's a point when foundation and linebreeding gets a bit out of hand, and I think this is an example of that.

Doesn't even look like stallion quality to me.

lvmypnt · 10-12-2007, 08:30 AM

I guess everyone has their opinions on line breeding vs inbreeding. To me this stallion is line bred. The mare we sold a month ago is inbred in my opinion (see link) The Deuce Coupe Quarter Horse

prairienights · 10-12-2007, 08:42 AM

I don't know enough about horse linebreeding to carry on a decent debate about it, but I do know quite a bit about genetics, genetic disorders, and how breeding closely related individuals can amplify many of these problems. Certainly there are some benefits, but I think the risks have to be looked at very closely.

I don't know if there's a specific percentage of blood from a specific line for one to justify the use of the term inbreeding in the horse world, but either way, it *is* a form of inbreeding and the same risks come with it. Yes, it can be done responsibly for the benefit of the breed and line, but having 37% of the blood related to one sire is, in my opnion, unhealthy.

But yes, we all have our own opinions, and that mare is *definitely* inbred.

cminor · 10-12-2007, 08:51 AM

To me, and you can bash me if you want, linebreeding is inbreeding. I hate this one ad that I saw that "name of horse has more King blood in him than King did. No just how is that possible. I love quarter horses to death, but hate the people that have created and allowed these genetic disorders to continue to plague the quarter horse breed today. So sad, there are so many good horses out there to breed to. You are never gonna be able to recreate a great horse by inbreeding, so stop trying.

prairienights · 10-12-2007, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by cminor

To me, and you can bash me if you want, linebreeding is inbreeding. I hate this one ad that I saw that "name of horse has more King blood in him than King did. No just how is that possible. I love quarter horses to death, but hate the people that have created and allowed these genetic disorders to continue to plague the quarter horse breed today. So sad, there are so many good horses out there to breed to. You are never gonna be able to recreate a great horse by inbreeding, so stop trying.

Agreed! I'm an animal science/equine science major, and have taken a few livestock breeding and genetics classes. I do understand the benefits of linebreeding. It's certainly important in the foundation of breeds and increasing the homozygosity of certain desired traits, but the fact that it *is* inbreeding should not be overlooked. Not to mention obvious genetic diseases such as HYPP and HERDA (not to pick on QH, every breed has their share), but there are also many other less obvious consequences. Just one example: you essentially inherit a lot of your immune system from your parents. Of course, immune systems are massively complex and dynamic, there are certain inherited traits. If you largely have the immune system from just one line, you're going to be at risk for a whole bunch of nasty stuff.

lvmypnt · 10-12-2007, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by prairienights

But yes, we all have our own opinions, and that mare is *definitely* inbred.

Yep and it made for a very pretty mare

yet a very, very PYSCHO mare.

I just dont understand what people think sometimes

cminor · 10-12-2007, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by lvmypnt

Yep and it made for a very pretty mare

yet a very, very PYSCHO mare.

I just dont understand what people think sometimes

I have seen a lot of inbreed horses in my time and they do tend to be a little crazier than normal. I have a halter bred horse out in the pasture that was a gift to us and he is breed closer than what I would like, and it shows.

10-12-2007, 04:56 AM	#11
JBandRio Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NC Posts: 19,703 Images: 121 Blog Entries: 12	Agree with Peggy, at age 9 he is unlikely to be affected by the disease, though he could be a carrier for sure. __________________ - JB Acres, owned and operated by Dynamite animals. - It's a wonder horses as a whole don't just kill us all and be done with their misery. - Keep your voice soothing and low - even when things get western (buck1173) - Rio feels good - he bounced an in-and-out

10-12-2007, 07:51 AM	#13
prettyqtrs Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,849	That is a lot of Poco Bueno. Not that it is a bad thing, but I would definately advise any potential buyers to have him tested prior to purchasing (especially if he's going to stay a stallion). I don't see why the current owners haven't tested him. Or if they have...they aren't saying what the results came back as. __________________ ~Meg~ Poco Pine King "Poco" - '91 Sorrel Overo Paint Gelding * MF Bold as Gold "BG" - '95 Palomino QH Mare * Star Bucks Bonanza "Star" - '00 Buckskin QH Mare *** Mainly Deville "Deville" - '04 Dun QH Mare

10-12-2007, 08:30 AM	#15
lvmypnt Senior Member+ Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,379 Images: 56	I guess everyone has their opinions on line breeding vs inbreeding. To me this stallion is line bred. The mare we sold a month ago is inbred in my opinion (see link) The Deuce Coupe Quarter Horse __________________ God gave us two ears, two eyes and one mouth, so we should hear and see twice as much as we say.

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10-12-2007, 08:02 AM	#14
prairienights Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,076 Images: 311 Blog Entries: 1	Besides the high risk of being a carrier (I agree that he probably wouldn't have lasted this long if he had it), I just don't agree with that much inbreeding. There's a point when foundation and linebreeding gets a bit out of hand, and I think this is an example of that. Doesn't even look like stallion quality to me.

10-12-2007, 08:42 AM	#16
prairienights Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,076 Images: 311 Blog Entries: 1	I don't know enough about horse linebreeding to carry on a decent debate about it, but I do know quite a bit about genetics, genetic disorders, and how breeding closely related individuals can amplify many of these problems. Certainly there are some benefits, but I think the risks have to be looked at very closely. I don't know if there's a specific percentage of blood from a specific line for one to justify the use of the term inbreeding in the horse world, but either way, it is a form of inbreeding and the same risks come with it. Yes, it can be done responsibly for the benefit of the breed and line, but having 37% of the blood related to one sire is, in my opnion, unhealthy. But yes, we all have our own opinions, and that mare is definitely inbred.

10-12-2007, 08:51 AM	#17
cminor Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hot Texas Posts: 2,532 Images: 301	To me, and you can bash me if you want, linebreeding is inbreeding. I hate this one ad that I saw that "name of horse has more King blood in him than King did. No just how is that possible. I love quarter horses to death, but hate the people that have created and allowed these genetic disorders to continue to plague the quarter horse breed today. So sad, there are so many good horses out there to breed to. You are never gonna be able to recreate a great horse by inbreeding, so stop trying.