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11-23-2005, 06:14 PM
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Oh yeah, Max is gorgeous. Love his color! Body-wise, he's not really what I'm looking for. But he's gorgeous!  I'm definitely going with a TB. The more I look at her, the more I realize how huge she is. lol She's so heavy in the shoulder and light in the hindquarter, and her neck ties in really high. (I'm learning alot about conformation.  ) |
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11-23-2005, 09:07 PM
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I was just reading an article the other day in either Dressage today or Practical horseman about breeding and the person interveiwed ephasisied not to breed a short backed horse to a long backed horse in the hopes of getting a middle ground foal bc it doesnt happen. If I can scare the article back uo i'll try to post where it is.. Pasically the person said if your mares body fits in a square you should look for a square stallion. I'd look for a refined Stallion with a nice long nechk and a short back.
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11-24-2005, 07:02 AM
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Well, from what I was told, she has a short back because she's missing a vertabrae, from the Arabian influence. So, yeah, whatever stallion I bred her to, the Arabian genes could still come into play as far as that goes. But if it was a refined foal, without her body style, it would be okay. It just looks funny on a draft. lol
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11-24-2005, 10:15 AM
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| Senior Member+  |  Arabian Horses are anatomically different from all other horse breeds due to they have one less rib (17, while most other breeds have 18), one less lumbar vertebra (5 while other breeds have 6) and one less tail bone than other horse breeds.
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11-24-2005, 10:28 AM
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I agree with breeding her to a TB
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11-25-2005, 11:30 AM
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While a TB would SOUND like the way to go, but you may not get a foal who is strong in the hindend and light on the forehand and free in the shoulder. Guaranteed Gold will not get you a horse that has a strong hindend and free in the shoulder. He is locked up in the shoulder and does not use his hindend at all (I saw a video of him and he is short strided). He is NOT a horse I would breed to at all. The 1st TB stallion, Tricon, has an okay shoulder. He is not that free in his shoulder as I would hope he would be. You can't tell in the pictures, because they have no pictures of him trotting on their website. Just running photos (which is something that is sending a big red flag in my mind). Maxamillion is a horse I WOULD bred to your mare. After looking at his website (and another horse I have a video of), he is something that not only will improve the mare's hindend, but will improve the back, neck, and the freedom in the shoulder. He is free in his shoulder (notice the extention at the trot). While he does not show the suspension at the trot, his foals seem to have suspension. If you look at his foals, he has improved off of some 'okay' mares and produce some nice foals. You want a stallion with a strong hindend and freedom in the shoulder, and Maxamillion is one that has it. In general, Maxamillion will probably improve off of the mare more than the other 2 stallions could. Maxamillion may not be your "type", but he would be the better choice for your "type" of a mare- If you are looking to improve anything. I am sure Maxamillion's owner wouldn't mind considering breeding Max to your mare. It would show that Max can drastically improve off of the mare. Last edited by Aurora; 11-25-2005 at 01:01 PM. |
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11-25-2005, 05:41 PM
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 and just joined today as well. My - you've been a busy little bee with your 7 posts so far, havent you?! Can we say T-R-O-L-L ?!!Funny how the inspectors at the inspection gave GG an *8* for his trot, but of course you know MUCH better dont you ... I also would like to point out that the one thing that Guaranteed Gold does in DROVES is improve the back end on his foals. His own rear end is MASSIVE, especially for a TB ...  and he also passes on a PERFECT rear end, shoulder and topline and his foals are fabulous movers as seen by Faux Finish (hmmm ... doesnt look like too much wrong with HER shoulder or HER movement, does it ... ... but maybe even with a sire that has a "locked up" shoulder, she can still move okay ... Or - this other GG foal at 3 months old - sure looks like a "free" moving trot to me:  or - lets look at the "suspect" rear ends and shoulder in this picture of Faux Finish by Guaranteed Gold - wow - cant see ANYTHING wrong here either ...  ... and geez whiz - her shoulder is pretty darned spectacular as well ... funny thing, isnt it?! or maybe - just the TB's are okay - but all the rest of them have "horrible" rear ends and shoulders - right?! Maybe its just the Arab crosses that arent nice? Hmm? Nope - this one looks pretty darned spectacular as well ... Fabulous shoulder and rear end on her ...  How about THIS Arab cross filly by GG? Maybe "SHE"S" the one that got the horrible conformation from him instead??? Wow. Isnt that funny how she is equally as nice as all of the others are ...  or about another one - showing the awful trot on his foals because of his "locked up" shoulder that I guess he must pass on to ALL of his foals:  or - since he has that "locked up" shoulder, amazing how tight his knees are and how round he jumps? If it was so locked up, he wouldnt be able to bring his forearm up, now would he?!  or:  Well - its been fun.  And I must also say a sincere "thank you" for bringing up that assinine comment which has allowed me to FULLY illustrate for everyone what a nice stallion GG is, and what nice foals he throws out of a wide variety of mares, and how conformationally correct they all are (even when the mares they are out of are FAR less than perfect ...) and what beautiful movement they all have.But the best part of all is the fact that a ***Grand Prix*** level elite Hanoverian mare bred to GG this year and her owner has NEVER bred her to anything other than elite Hanoverian stallions with a strong dressage background. She watched the DVD and wow - she must have thought he pushed just fine from behind as I *assume* thats what dressage people look for? Hmmm ... ?! Perhaps you watched the wrong video of the wrong horse - I'd be MORE than happy to send you the CORRECT video if you let me know your mailing address truecolours@cogeco.ca Quote:
He is a beautifully balanced stallion with a spectacular shoulder and a 10++ trot. Why WOULDNT he be a good cross with a mare that NEEDS length of stride, a nicer topline and improvement in the refinement department??? Personally - I had never heard of Tricon before this thread but he looks to be am amazing stallion that I would breed one of my mares to in a heartbeat ... Last edited by TrueColoursFarm; 11-26-2005 at 05:54 AM. | ||
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11-25-2005, 06:04 PM
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some of these horses are not in the US... but are awesome horses and they freeze and ship the semen... Akhal Teke Kuvvalti  http://my.tele2.ee/akhaltekest/ Cleveland Bay Tregoyd WIlliam  http://www.molalla.net/~williamsknollfarm/index1.htm Hanoverian Private Dancer  http://www.elkrunfarm.com/PrivateDancer.html Oldenburg Frohwind  http://www.woodridgefarm.com/stallions/813frohwind.htm Rheinlander Rainbow  http://www.rainbow-apintostud.com/ Thoroughbred Olivers Twist  http://www.menokenfarms.com/Twist.html Thoroughbred Midnightspiritruner  http://www.geocities.com/blackpowderjoe/Midnite.html Trekhener Prelude **pic is way to big to post** http://www.preludebymozart.com/ just some options
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11-25-2005, 06:09 PM
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Okay, we get the point Donna, stop showing off and making me drool! And, WOW, this: is Faux Finish?! She is so gorgeous!! Honestly, Hope's light in the hindquarter courtesy of the Arabian. Anything I breed her to, she can still throw the Arabian genes in there. Same with the Belgian. I'm basically just playing roulette. Let the chips fall where they may! I'm very open to anything, because anything I pair her with can really throw anything. But, of course, a tall, refined stallion is the only way to go. |
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11-25-2005, 06:18 PM
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TrueColoursFarm- Thankyou for that showcase of GG and his gorgeous foals. I was a bit mystified by the previous posters comments regarding your stallion...and appreciated your response....as for the Tricon stud....if there's something wrong with that horse's shoulder...then I think I may need to go see the eye doctor....He is also a majestic, very well put together stallion. The only thing I did agree with in that other post is that Maxamillion is a beautiful sire-....I bookmarked his site....very, very nice horse.
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Thanks!
