HELP IF YOU CAN...

friesianluvr · 10-23-2003, 07:28 AM

This was forwarded to me today....

Helloeverybody, I have some very disturbing news, you may have already heard thatWyeth Ayerst has cut 1/3 of the working pmu farms, we need your help please!There is an estimated 20,000 mares that will go to slaughter and are in foal.FoalTrek will have mares posted on the web site to place by this week,hopefully by Thursday Oct. 23. We need volunteers, foster homes and moreimportantly permanent loving homes. If you could please pass this along with alink to our web site I would be extremely grateful. The ranch that FoalTrek hasbeen working with is cut from the program and will NOT be able to keep thesemares, foals and two-year-olds through the winter. I can be reached at514-916-1254 or by email at tamigariepy@videotron.ca Thank you all for your support. www.foaltrek.com 514-916-1254 or 450-458-0255 (FAX)"This one creature I have found who mirrors my soul...to him alone do Igive the mystery of who I am - this creature the horse, is to whom I belongduring my time on earth"

JoycePapp is the Georgia/Alabama rep for this organization. Please, please help ifyou can! Check out our website and contact us if you or someone you know canhelp. Just imagine all these pregnant mares going to slaughter. It doesn't matter to me if they're registered or grade, it just rips my heart out to thinkabout it. Please help! Tell everyone you know to tell everyone they know andmaybe we can save some of these precious animals! Joyce L. Papp PapRidge Farm 2450Frank Smith Road Quincy, FL 32352-1027 850-627-2841 Mobile850-524-6311 Email: jl_papp@yahoo.com

QHGirl · 10-23-2003, 07:38 AM

Take a look under general chat for Please read, same article... lots of good info!!!!

Dawn · 10-23-2003, 08:28 AM

Does anyone know how they're dealing with transportation? Is it going to be the same price as the foal transport? Also, there used to be a link on their page with a map of drop off locations. It's not there anymore. Does anyone know where to dropoffs are? Looking at it has got me to thinking about it. I was looking at a rescue horse near here, but she's smaller than I want and older than I want....so...maybe I could. Anyone have that info?

drafts · 10-23-2003, 09:34 AM

Remeber when you consider adopting one of these broodmares, they are usually only halter broke. Average age is usually about 7 yrs, that is a full grown draft, not a 1000 lb quater type. These untrained horses need PROFESSIONAL adopters.
Untrained drafts can be a nightmare to work with because of their massive size, and usually your stalls and fencing will need updated and strengthened. Your light horse tack will not fit a draft either, so consider that added expense as well.
I am not discouraging adopting these horses, but make sure you are prepared, and defintely make sure you have the knowledge and strenggth.

QHGirl · 10-23-2003, 10:11 AM

They have postings that say they will put complete information (as they know it) on if they are rideable also. They did also say that most have not had standard trimming like a normal farrier would do it, they mostly use a "flip table" like they do with cows, (it is humane) and will need to be worked with picking feet.

They have normal handling and some are brushed frequently, BUT for the most part they are your standard horse. They also have been vet checked and will put the due date on the info. SO yes a lot of that has to be considered to have a mare ready to foal starting in May... They also do not recommend having this horse as a "ONLY" horse. They are heard animals and are used to being with others, so they would rather someone NOT have it as their only horse!

spyro1 · 10-23-2003, 04:07 PM

First of all, whre the **** you been friesianlvr???

We have missed you

Some of these mares ARE rideable and their info will be under their pics as soon as they are up. Many of them have excellent bloodlines and are registered with AQHA, APHA, ApHC. There are light horses (quarters, apps and paints), light/draft crosses and heavy (draft). There are also some thorobreds and fjords. We are not just talking about one farm here, there are many ,many farms that are liquidating their stock. Not all the farms are using *flip tables*, some are rotating the farrier work,,ie: 100 horses get done one month, next 100 the next month and so on, by a farrier who does do the standard trim without using the table. Each farm has different practices.
I would also need to question this farm that has *been cut from the program* according to the detail articles that I have read on pmufoalquest, the drug manufacturers are holding their contract agreements until 2004. As long as every rancher abides by the same standard of care and treatment of the mares as if they were still producing urine, they are geetting thier funding from teh co. The drug company didn't just decide to close down the ranches and leave the horses out in the cold, yes, these horses need homes, BUT, they have ample time to find them ALL homes, there is no great rush. many ranchers have already secured their hay/grain supply for the winter.
Dawn, I would suggest that you go to the pmufoalquest site and click on area reps and contact them directly. they can give you detailed info on where and when dropoffs are scheduled for in your area. transport is, RIGHT NOW, the responsability of the adopter, BUT, there is talk about the drug manuf. trying to help with the cost of transport, so that could all change. I will let you know if I hear andything else. wink

Dawn · 10-23-2003, 04:30 PM

Thanks spyro. I did email the closest rep to me. At least I think it's the closest one, could be wrong.

spyro1 · 10-23-2003, 04:33 PM

Let her know where you are and if there is a closer one she'll be able to tell you. Also, this just came to my mind, I read somewhere, Can't remember now, with everything else going on

that there was a huge rescue up in TN where many horses were taken off of about 200 acres and they are up for adoption as well, (nothing to do with pmu though) I'll dig and try to remember where I saw it, maybe my other forum??

Dawn · 10-23-2003, 04:40 PM

That'd be great if you could find that. There's one "big" horse rescue agency in TN, and it's not that far from me, but they don't have many horses right now.

spyro1 · 10-23-2003, 04:49 PM

Ok, here you go Dawn found some info, I however am not sure what the updates are, going to look now....good luck,

From Mustang-Spirit's email list:
(at this point, the horses had not been located and were on the road being transported to an unknown destination by the people who had been rounding them up, many horses were injured or dying. The horses at this point have largely not been located, and are assumed on their way to slaughter in TX (or possibly Mexico). At the slaughter auction it was confirmed the horses had been at, only nine of the horses were found and rescued. See http://www.mustang-spirit.org
for updates.

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Some people on this board may have missed out on some of the events that
have taken place with 400 +/- wild horses located in Tennessee. Here is
the series of events as I understand it... if I have something
incorrect, please reply with the correction.

On Septermber 25th Tania let us know that Trish (TN State Coordinator)
was meeting with a man the following Thursday that wanted to sign over
about 80 horses. The actual number of horses was unknown at that time
because the horses had been running wild on the owner's land, and
possibly ranging onto a neighboring 1,000 acres. Local BLM officials
were to be notified (as some of the horses are BLM mustangs) and there
was hope to get a final head count on the number of horses. The man
surrendering the horses had requested that it be done as quickly as
possible.

Trish also emailed on the 25th saying that she had seen at least 200-300
horses and their conditions (health?) were overwhelming. She stated
that the owner wanted the horses gone within one week of signing them
over to Mustang-Spirit. Trish stated that the horses needed to be moved
because the owner was being placed in a home due to age and stability
issues. She said that the man appeared to be a "collector" of animals,
mainly horses. Trish asked for volunteers to help with a round up,
including man-power, horsetrailers, etc.

At this point members started volunteering help, and setting up foster
homes.

On September 29th, Trish sent the following message:

> hi,
> its trish in tn."doc" will be giving me a call tomorrow.i spoke with
> the lady that has been working with him and she let me know that he
> has made a decision,and that decision is to sign over ALL the horses
> on his property to mustang-spirit.he will be calling me late morning
> early aftrenoon to tell me him self and also what he would like to see
> done.will let everyone know as tomorrow comes.
> trish

Everyone was a bit shell-shocked by the number of horses needing rescue,
but happy, that we would be helping the 200-300 horses get out of a bad
situation. At this point, I think the scale of the operation hit home.

On the morning of September 30th, Deanana sent the following message,
detailing the situation:

> Well here's the latest.
>
> 1. The gentleman has agreed to sign over all horses on his property
> (both domesticated wild horses and BLM mustangs). 2. Tania got ahold
> of the BLM person in TN and they said to go ahead and have him sign
> over all BLM horses to us and there will be no problem.
> 3. BLM has agreed to help set up pens and trucks for the roundup
> 4. There are possibly close to 400 +/- horses there between 80
> acres and maybe 1000 acres next door if any fences are down.
> 5. Trish is working with the vet to get Coggins/Health Certificates
> on all the horses that we are able to get rounded up.

Deanana also detailed our plan for gaining media, other equine rescue,
and corporate support for care and removal of the horses. The plan was
being put into action. She also asked for donations to help cover
airfare for some people to fly to TN to help with the roundup. Everyone
was pretty much getting geared up for a huge operation.

It was just as everyone was getting excited and set up to move the
horses promised to Mustang-Spirit that Deanana posted the following
message on the afternoon of Sept 30th:

> Ok we have a situation an hour+ from Louisburg, TN, off of Highway 24
> and Exit 146 (about 60 miles from the main highway). A herd of 400 +/-
> wild horses that were to be signed over to Mustang-Spirit, Inc. this
> afternoon has now been intrupted with no warning. Currently there are
> 6 Trucks (all types of trailers including Double Deckers and
> cab-overs) loading horses on these trailers with cattle- prods, ATV's
> and whatever else they can use. There are several (unknown count) of
> horses that have been severely injured, yet still being shoved into
> these trailers.
>
> BLM is headed out to the site immediately as there ARE BLM horses at
> the property. No one from Animal Control will respond.
>
> We are trying to get more information on these trucks, but from a
> witness that could get only so close to them, they are trying to get
> the license #, DOT # and also the names on these livestock trucks. All
> she can get is S & O Livestock or S & S Livestock. We are in need of
> getting these trucks stopped before they reach the kill pens. If
> anyone knows of any auction yards, feedlot pens, or anything, PLEASE
> CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY at deanana@m...
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mustang-Spirit/
> spirit.com or call 916-519-8443

10-23-2003, 07:28 AM	#1
friesianluvr Full Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 176	HELP IF YOU CAN... This was forwarded to me today.... Helloeverybody, I have some very disturbing news, you may have already heard thatWyeth Ayerst has cut 1/3 of the working pmu farms, we need your help please!There is an estimated 20,000 mares that will go to slaughter and are in foal.FoalTrek will have mares posted on the web site to place by this week,hopefully by Thursday Oct. 23. We need volunteers, foster homes and moreimportantly permanent loving homes. If you could please pass this along with alink to our web site I would be extremely grateful. The ranch that FoalTrek hasbeen working with is cut from the program and will NOT be able to keep thesemares, foals and two-year-olds through the winter. I can be reached at514-916-1254 or by email at tamigariepy@videotron.ca Thank you all for your support. www.foaltrek.com 514-916-1254 or 450-458-0255 (FAX)"This one creature I have found who mirrors my soul...to him alone do Igive the mystery of who I am - this creature the horse, is to whom I belongduring my time on earth" JoycePapp is the Georgia/Alabama rep for this organization. Please, please help ifyou can! Check out our website and contact us if you or someone you know canhelp. Just imagine all these pregnant mares going to slaughter. It doesn't matter to me if they're registered or grade, it just rips my heart out to thinkabout it. Please help! Tell everyone you know to tell everyone they know andmaybe we can save some of these precious animals! Joyce L. Papp PapRidge Farm 2450Frank Smith Road Quincy, FL 32352-1027 850-627-2841 Mobile850-524-6311 Email: jl_papp@yahoo.com

10-23-2003, 07:38 AM	#2
QHGirl Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 6,871 Images: 249	Take a look under general chat for Please read, same article... lots of good info!!!! __________________ I must not forget to thank the difficult horses, who made my life miserable, but who were better teachers than the well-behaved school horses who raised no problems. -Alois Podhaisky

10-23-2003, 09:34 AM	#4
drafts Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,940 Images: 133 Blog Entries: 6	Remeber when you consider adopting one of these broodmares, they are usually only halter broke. Average age is usually about 7 yrs, that is a full grown draft, not a 1000 lb quater type. These untrained horses need PROFESSIONAL adopters. Untrained drafts can be a nightmare to work with because of their massive size, and usually your stalls and fencing will need updated and strengthened. Your light horse tack will not fit a draft either, so consider that added expense as well. I am not discouraging adopting these horses, but make sure you are prepared, and defintely make sure you have the knowledge and strenggth. __________________ A baby fills a place in your heart you never knew was empty

10-23-2003, 10:11 AM	#5
QHGirl Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 6,871 Images: 249	They have postings that say they will put complete information (as they know it) on if they are rideable also. They did also say that most have not had standard trimming like a normal farrier would do it, they mostly use a "flip table" like they do with cows, (it is humane) and will need to be worked with picking feet. They have normal handling and some are brushed frequently, BUT for the most part they are your standard horse. They also have been vet checked and will put the due date on the info. SO yes a lot of that has to be considered to have a mare ready to foal starting in May... They also do not recommend having this horse as a "ONLY" horse. They are heard animals and are used to being with others, so they would rather someone NOT have it as their only horse! __________________ I must not forget to thank the difficult horses, who made my life miserable, but who were better teachers than the well-behaved school horses who raised no problems. -Alois Podhaisky

10-23-2003, 04:07 PM	#6
spyro1 Senior Member+ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Swamp..Home of The SEC Champs~Go Gators Posts: 6,881 Images: 62 Blog Entries: 21	First of all, whre the **** you been friesianlvr??? We have missed you Some of these mares ARE rideable and their info will be under their pics as soon as they are up. Many of them have excellent bloodlines and are registered with AQHA, APHA, ApHC. There are light horses (quarters, apps and paints), light/draft crosses and heavy (draft). There are also some thorobreds and fjords. We are not just talking about one farm here, there are many ,many farms that are liquidating their stock. Not all the farms are using flip tables, some are rotating the farrier work,,ie: 100 horses get done one month, next 100 the next month and so on, by a farrier who does do the standard trim without using the table. Each farm has different practices. I would also need to question this farm that has been cut from the program according to the detail articles that I have read on pmufoalquest, the drug manufacturers are holding their contract agreements until 2004. As long as every rancher abides by the same standard of care and treatment of the mares as if they were still producing urine, they are geetting thier funding from teh co. The drug company didn't just decide to close down the ranches and leave the horses out in the cold, yes, these horses need homes, BUT, they have ample time to find them ALL homes, there is no great rush. many ranchers have already secured their hay/grain supply for the winter. Dawn, I would suggest that you go to the pmufoalquest site and click on area reps and contact them directly. they can give you detailed info on where and when dropoffs are scheduled for in your area. transport is, RIGHT NOW, the responsability of the adopter, BUT, there is talk about the drug manuf. trying to help with the cost of transport, so that could all change. I will let you know if I hear andything else. wink __________________ I used to have a handle on life, but it broke off. Do unto others......

10-23-2003, 08:28 AM	#3
Dawn Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tennessee Posts: 29,224 Images: 1283	Does anyone know how they're dealing with transportation? Is it going to be the same price as the foal transport? Also, there used to be a link on their page with a map of drop off locations. It's not there anymore. Does anyone know where to dropoffs are? Looking at it has got me to thinking about it. I was looking at a rescue horse near here, but she's smaller than I want and older than I want....so...maybe I could. Anyone have that info?

10-23-2003, 04:30 PM	#7
Dawn Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tennessee Posts: 29,224 Images: 1283	Thanks spyro. I did email the closest rep to me. At least I think it's the closest one, could be wrong.

10-23-2003, 04:33 PM	#8
spyro1 Senior Member+ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Swamp..Home of The SEC Champs~Go Gators Posts: 6,881 Images: 62 Blog Entries: 21	Let her know where you are and if there is a closer one she'll be able to tell you. Also, this just came to my mind, I read somewhere, Can't remember now, with everything else going on that there was a huge rescue up in TN where many horses were taken off of about 200 acres and they are up for adoption as well, (nothing to do with pmu though) I'll dig and try to remember where I saw it, maybe my other forum?? __________________ I used to have a handle on life, but it broke off. Do unto others......

10-23-2003, 04:40 PM	#9
Dawn Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tennessee Posts: 29,224 Images: 1283	That'd be great if you could find that. There's one "big" horse rescue agency in TN, and it's not that far from me, but they don't have many horses right now.

10-23-2003, 04:49 PM	#10
spyro1 Senior Member+ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Swamp..Home of The SEC Champs~Go Gators Posts: 6,881 Images: 62 Blog Entries: 21	Ok, here you go Dawn found some info, I however am not sure what the updates are, going to look now....good luck, From Mustang-Spirit's email list: (at this point, the horses had not been located and were on the road being transported to an unknown destination by the people who had been rounding them up, many horses were injured or dying. The horses at this point have largely not been located, and are assumed on their way to slaughter in TX (or possibly Mexico). At the slaughter auction it was confirmed the horses had been at, only nine of the horses were found and rescued. See http://www.mustang-spirit.org for updates. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Some people on this board may have missed out on some of the events that have taken place with 400 +/- wild horses located in Tennessee. Here is the series of events as I understand it... if I have something incorrect, please reply with the correction. On Septermber 25th Tania let us know that Trish (TN State Coordinator) was meeting with a man the following Thursday that wanted to sign over about 80 horses. The actual number of horses was unknown at that time because the horses had been running wild on the owner's land, and possibly ranging onto a neighboring 1,000 acres. Local BLM officials were to be notified (as some of the horses are BLM mustangs) and there was hope to get a final head count on the number of horses. The man surrendering the horses had requested that it be done as quickly as possible. Trish also emailed on the 25th saying that she had seen at least 200-300 horses and their conditions (health?) were overwhelming. She stated that the owner wanted the horses gone within one week of signing them over to Mustang-Spirit. Trish stated that the horses needed to be moved because the owner was being placed in a home due to age and stability issues. She said that the man appeared to be a "collector" of animals, mainly horses. Trish asked for volunteers to help with a round up, including man-power, horsetrailers, etc. At this point members started volunteering help, and setting up foster homes. On September 29th, Trish sent the following message: > hi, > its trish in tn."doc" will be giving me a call tomorrow.i spoke with > the lady that has been working with him and she let me know that he > has made a decision,and that decision is to sign over ALL the horses > on his property to mustang-spirit.he will be calling me late morning > early aftrenoon to tell me him self and also what he would like to see > done.will let everyone know as tomorrow comes. > trish Everyone was a bit shell-shocked by the number of horses needing rescue, but happy, that we would be helping the 200-300 horses get out of a bad situation. At this point, I think the scale of the operation hit home. On the morning of September 30th, Deanana sent the following message, detailing the situation: > Well here's the latest. > > 1. The gentleman has agreed to sign over all horses on his property > (both domesticated wild horses and BLM mustangs). 2. Tania got ahold > of the BLM person in TN and they said to go ahead and have him sign > over all BLM horses to us and there will be no problem. > 3. BLM has agreed to help set up pens and trucks for the roundup > 4. There are possibly close to 400 +/- horses there between 80 > acres and maybe 1000 acres next door if any fences are down. > 5. Trish is working with the vet to get Coggins/Health Certificates > on all the horses that we are able to get rounded up. Deanana also detailed our plan for gaining media, other equine rescue, and corporate support for care and removal of the horses. The plan was being put into action. She also asked for donations to help cover airfare for some people to fly to TN to help with the roundup. Everyone was pretty much getting geared up for a huge operation. It was just as everyone was getting excited and set up to move the horses promised to Mustang-Spirit that Deanana posted the following message on the afternoon of Sept 30th: > Ok we have a situation an hour+ from Louisburg, TN, off of Highway 24 > and Exit 146 (about 60 miles from the main highway). A herd of 400 +/- > wild horses that were to be signed over to Mustang-Spirit, Inc. this > afternoon has now been intrupted with no warning. Currently there are > 6 Trucks (all types of trailers including Double Deckers and > cab-overs) loading horses on these trailers with cattle- prods, ATV's > and whatever else they can use. There are several (unknown count) of > horses that have been severely injured, yet still being shoved into > these trailers. > > BLM is headed out to the site immediately as there ARE BLM horses at > the property. No one from Animal Control will respond. > > We are trying to get more information on these trucks, but from a > witness that could get only so close to them, they are trying to get > the license #, DOT # and also the names on these livestock trucks. All > she can get is S & O Livestock or S & S Livestock. We are in need of > getting these trucks stopped before they reach the kill pens. If > anyone knows of any auction yards, feedlot pens, or anything, PLEASE > CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY at deanana@m... > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mustang-Spirit/ > spirit.com or call 916-519-8443 __________________ I used to have a handle on life, but it broke off. Do unto others......