HELP!!! I Have a horse that sets back when tied (( I don't know what to do))

Barrel_Racer_14 · 10-22-2009, 01:47 PM

I have 4 year old filly , that i just adore, but im at my wits n with her. It started when she wanted to be with her buddies in the pasture so she fought with the rope and won,, after she broke it that time she only broke it once more before I tie her with extra lead ropes, and I'd say about the last 10 times shes set back she hasn't broke it but she just keeps trying and You'd think when she didn't break it and just ends up hurting her self she'd quit but she hasn't and I don't want her to end up hurting herself bad enought that she kills herself or somthin.. so any Ideas..

crayon · 10-22-2009, 01:51 PM

I would give her a smack on the bum each time she gets ready to lean back.

CaitlynH · 10-22-2009, 02:11 PM

I'll adress this in a few parts since this originates from being buddy sour.

Work her by her buddies and let her rest away from them. You can either do this by lunging, using many changes of direction to keep her focused on you or by riding.

How well does she give to pressure? When you pull on the halter asking her to step up is she heavy or does she give? If she doesn't give to pressure well, you really shouldn't be tying her up in the first place.

After you work her a bit by her friends go to where you tie her. Tie her up with a tie ring so she doesn't panic if she does still pull back. Since you already worked her she should be using the thinking side of her brain and a bit tired so even if this is a very ingrained habit she should do better. If she does pull back pull the lead rope back through. Each time she pulls back she should pull less.

If she pulls the lead rope all the way through from being buddy sour work her as you go near her buddies then offer to let her rest by being tied up again. If she does happen to pull the leadrope from fear don't work her and use a longer leadrope and put it back through.

Shotgun93 · 10-22-2009, 02:29 PM

I highly suggest getting a tie ring. With a little work and training, it will usually cure of them of that habit.

http://horseloversoutlet.com/blocker_tie_rings.html

angie j · 10-23-2009, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CaitlynH

How well does she give to pressure? When you pull on the halter asking her to step up is she heavy or does she give? If she doesn't give to pressure well, you really shouldn't be tying her up in the first place.

I can't emphasize how important it is to have regular training sessions to teach the 'give' to pressure. Don't wait for her to 'figure it out' on her own becasue it won't happen. I've spent sooooo much time this summer teaching my horse to give, praise.. give, praise.. give reward....(yawn) but it's worth it. I use a simillar 'tie' system' so that my mare won't feel a pull is she steps back, thus, breaking the pattern of behavior.

Barrel_Racer_14 · 10-23-2009, 06:48 AM

ok ill try to get a tie ring and c if tht helps thanxx for your help, and now I don't know if its about being with her buddies anymore becouse I was just leading her and I asked her to trot and when the lead lighten on the back of her head she freaked and reared back and came back down on her back... so like I said I dont now know if it's about her buddies anymore..

CaitlynH · 10-23-2009, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Barrel_Racer_14

ok ill try to get a tie ring and c if tht helps thanxx for your help, and now I don't know if its about being with her buddies anymore becouse I was just leading her and I asked her to trot and when the lead lighten on the back of her head she freaked and reared back and came back down on her back... so like I said I dont now know if it's about her buddies anymore..

Ok, so at this point I wouldn't not tie her up, tie ring or not. She has no idea how to give. If you don't feel comfortable with her i'd seek out a trainer, so neither of you gets hurt.

I would start out by teaching her to flex. I like to saddle my horses up when I ask, that way if they do move I can grab onto the saddle and move with them easier. Start by only asking her to give a tiny bit, a couple inches. As soon as she creates slack and her feet arn't moving praise her and give her even more slack. Go with her if she moves she'll figure out how to get a release soon enough. As she gets better ask for a bit more and switch sides.

Teach her to disengage her hindquarters. If you have control of her hindquarters she can't rear. Stand at a 45% angle, you can't get kicked or struck, with a short leadrope and you hand up so she can't push into you. You don't need a NH handy stick, a riding crop will work fine, or anything else that's not all bendy. Tap the air in rythem 4 times then lightly tap her, tap her harder 4 times, whack her 4 times. As soon as she steps her hindquarters away and crosses over rub her with the crop to a stop. As she gets better it'll take less pressure for her to move away.

The next thing I would do is teach her to lunge, not just mindless circles but changes of direction too. Point will the hand holding the leadrope, create tension on it, cluck and then whack the whip on the ground, then her if nessessary to get her to move forward. You may have to move her forequarters away with a light whack then drive her away from the hindquarters if she won't give. This is going to keep you at a safe distance while teaching her to move up and give to the pressure. At first just be happy with her going forward at a walk both directions. When you stop her, shorten your lunge line by bringing your previously outward arm to your belly button, lean forward and take your whip and swing it toward her bum. This is asking her to once again disenagage her hindquarters and face you.

Sorry for writing a novel but I just can't condense things very well.

pittmd · 10-23-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CaitlynH

Ok, so at this point I wouldn't not tie her up, tie ring or not. She has no idea how to give. If you don't feel comfortable with her i'd seek out a trainer, so neither of you gets hurt.

SNIP - lots of good advice...

The tie ring actually teaches them to give. When they stop pulling they get slack automaticly. Our paint broke every halter we had until we got the tie ring. Now he just hangs out at the hitchin post and does not try sitting back.

Shotgun93 · 10-23-2009, 10:34 AM

The purpose of the tie ring is to teach them how to give.

angie j · 10-23-2009, 10:46 AM

YouTube - Horse Training with John Lyons - Pull Back Part 1

10-22-2009, 01:47 PM	#1
Barrel_Racer_14 Full Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Paris,Texas Posts: 92 Images: 29	HELP!!! I Have a horse that sets back when tied (( I don't know what to do)) I have 4 year old filly , that i just adore, but im at my wits n with her. It started when she wanted to be with her buddies in the pasture so she fought with the rope and won,, after she broke it that time she only broke it once more before I tie her with extra lead ropes, and I'd say about the last 10 times shes set back she hasn't broke it but she just keeps trying and You'd think when she didn't break it and just ends up hurting her self she'd quit but she hasn't and I don't want her to end up hurting herself bad enought that she kills herself or somthin.. so any Ideas..

10-22-2009, 01:51 PM	#2
crayon Senior Member+ Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: MA Posts: 4,881 Images: 44	I would give her a smack on the bum each time she gets ready to lean back. __________________ Crayon 1 2 3 4

10-22-2009, 02:29 PM	#4
Shotgun93 Senior Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Southwest SD Posts: 15,537 Images: 133	I highly suggest getting a tie ring. With a little work and training, it will usually cure of them of that habit. http://horseloversoutlet.com/blocker_tie_rings.html __________________ In the quiet light of the stable, you hear a muffled snort, the stamp of a hoof, a friendly nicker. Gentle eyes inquire, "How was your day old friend?" and suddenly, all your troubles fade away. -Author Unknown

10-23-2009, 10:34 AM	#9
Shotgun93 Senior Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Southwest SD Posts: 15,537 Images: 133	The purpose of the tie ring is to teach them how to give. __________________ In the quiet light of the stable, you hear a muffled snort, the stamp of a hoof, a friendly nicker. Gentle eyes inquire, "How was your day old friend?" and suddenly, all your troubles fade away. -Author Unknown

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10-22-2009, 02:11 PM	#3
CaitlynH Full Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 295	I'll adress this in a few parts since this originates from being buddy sour. Work her by her buddies and let her rest away from them. You can either do this by lunging, using many changes of direction to keep her focused on you or by riding. How well does she give to pressure? When you pull on the halter asking her to step up is she heavy or does she give? If she doesn't give to pressure well, you really shouldn't be tying her up in the first place. After you work her a bit by her friends go to where you tie her. Tie her up with a tie ring so she doesn't panic if she does still pull back. Since you already worked her she should be using the thinking side of her brain and a bit tired so even if this is a very ingrained habit she should do better. If she does pull back pull the lead rope back through. Each time she pulls back she should pull less. If she pulls the lead rope all the way through from being buddy sour work her as you go near her buddies then offer to let her rest by being tied up again. If she does happen to pull the leadrope from fear don't work her and use a longer leadrope and put it back through.

10-23-2009, 06:48 AM	#6
Barrel_Racer_14 Full Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Paris,Texas Posts: 92 Images: 29	ok ill try to get a tie ring and c if tht helps thanxx for your help, and now I don't know if its about being with her buddies anymore becouse I was just leading her and I asked her to trot and when the lead lighten on the back of her head she freaked and reared back and came back down on her back... so like I said I dont now know if it's about her buddies anymore..