Help a color beginner...what color stallion would produce palomino?

Peteysmom · 02-12-2009, 08:14 PM

I am thinking of getting this 5 year old QH mare (Sorrel). now, IF I was to breed her, is there a way I could get a black or palomino colt? Or roan or buckskin. Just anything other than bay, sorrel, or grey.
her pedigree is as follows:
sire: Leo Merada (dark sorrel/liver chestnut)
dam: Sheza Instant Replay (sorrel)
paternal grandsire: Freckles Merada (sorrel)
paternal granddam: Hickorys Leo Girl (sorrel)
Maternal grandsire: SR Instant Replay (bay)
maternal granddam: Fives Freckles (?)
her registered name is stylish Replay.

Appylvr · 02-12-2009, 08:36 PM

You can breed her to a Perlino or Cremello to get a dilute foal.

As for a black or another color... it's a toss of the dice. Never a guarantee in predicting a foal's color.

Peteysmom · 02-12-2009, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Appylvr

You can breed her to a Perlino or Cremello to get a dilute foal.

As for a black or another color... it's a toss of the dice. Never a guarantee in predicting a foal's color.

Sorry, what's a "dilute foal"?

RiddleMeThis · 02-12-2009, 08:43 PM

There is also smoky cream as a double dilute that will also get you a dilute foal. Cremello to chestnut is 100% palomino foals.

To get a black may be impossible with your mare or there may be a way to get it 100% of the time when breed to a specific stallion. It depends on you mares agouti status, whether she is aa, Aa, or AA. To find that out you would need to test her.

To get a roan you would need to breed her to a homozygous roan to guarantee a roan foal.

RiddleMeThis · 02-12-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Peteysmom

Sorry, what's a "dilute foal"?

A dilute foal is a palomino, buckskin, or smoky black. A double dilute foal is a cremello perlino or smoky cream.

Peteysmom · 02-12-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RiddleMeThis

Cremello to chestnut is 100% palomino foals.

Really? omg that is so awesome, palomino is my #1 choice anyways.

Peteysmom · 02-12-2009, 08:50 PM

[quote=RiddleMeThis;3535847] It depends on you mares agouti status, whether she is aa, Aa, or AA. quote]

What is an agouti status?

RiddleMeThis · 02-12-2009, 09:29 PM

[quote=Peteysmom;3535861]

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiddleMeThis

It depends on you mares agouti status, whether she is aa, Aa, or AA. quote]

What is an agouti status?

Agouti is the gene that changes a black horse from black to bay. It has no effect on a chestnut.

RiddleMeThis · 02-12-2009, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peteysmom

Really? omg that is so awesome, palomino is my #1 choice anyways.

Just be carefull when looking at cremello stallions because some people think if its a double dilute its always a cremello and thats not the case.

dante · 02-12-2009, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiddleMeThis

There is also smoky cream as a double dilute that will also get you a dilute foal. Cremello to chestnut is 100% palomino foals.

To get a black may be impossible with your mare or there may be a way to get it 100% of the time when breed to a specific stallion. It depends on you mares agouti status, whether she is aa, Aa, or AA. To find that out you would need to test her.

To get a roan you would need to breed her to a homozygous roan to guarantee a roan foal.

Why impossible? With a homozygous black stallion she would have a good chance, depending on her agouti status of course. I think I understand what you said, but I think the OP could take it the wrong way.

02-12-2009, 08:36 PM	#2
Appylvr Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: California Posts: 9,839 Images: 339	You can breed her to a Perlino or Cremello to get a dilute foal. As for a black or another color... it's a toss of the dice. Never a guarantee in predicting a foal's color. __________________ Your horse can only be as brave as you are ride and never worry about the fall Life is good... Horses make it better

02-12-2009, 08:43 PM	#4
RiddleMeThis Senior Member+ Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,886	There is also smoky cream as a double dilute that will also get you a dilute foal. Cremello to chestnut is 100% palomino foals. To get a black may be impossible with your mare or there may be a way to get it 100% of the time when breed to a specific stallion. It depends on you mares agouti status, whether she is aa, Aa, or AA. To find that out you would need to test her. To get a roan you would need to breed her to a homozygous roan to guarantee a roan foal. __________________ Can't argue with flawed logic I guess. Equine Genetics Blog - Updated November 11th with Sabino and Dominant White Pot, meet kettle.™ Exasperbation (n): the irrational desire to reason with the delusional.

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Peteysmom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central CA Posts: 366 Images: 1	[quote=RiddleMeThis;3535847] It depends on you mares agouti status, whether she is aa, Aa, or AA. quote] What is an agouti status? __________________ Stylish Replay ~ Sorrel 2005 AQHA mare Remember when/I was young and so where you/time stood still/love was all we knew

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Peteysmom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central CA Posts: 366 Images: 1	Help a color beginner...what color stallion would produce palomino? I am thinking of getting this 5 year old QH mare (Sorrel). now, IF I was to breed her, is there a way I could get a black or palomino colt? Or roan or buckskin. Just anything other than bay, sorrel, or grey. her pedigree is as follows: sire: Leo Merada (dark sorrel/liver chestnut) dam: Sheza Instant Replay (sorrel) paternal grandsire: Freckles Merada (sorrel) paternal granddam: Hickorys Leo Girl (sorrel) Maternal grandsire: SR Instant Replay (bay) maternal granddam: Fives Freckles (?) her registered name is stylish Replay. __________________ Stylish Replay ~ Sorrel 2005 AQHA mare Remember when/I was young and so where you/time stood still/love was all we knew