HeadSet Issues

PhoenixRising5 · 07-24-2007, 07:41 PM

Thanks for all your help. Do you have any pictures of a correct headset vs. and incorrect one? There are mirrors that I can open while I'm riding to see how his head is.

Silverleprichua · 07-24-2007, 07:55 PM

not the best picture but it's decent. Her nose is slightly in front of the vertical and she's reaching into contact while staying forward, supple, soft, and relaxed.

http://members.tripod.com/~tisca/tis3.jpg
http://www.dkimages.com/discover/pre...8/65022757.JPG
^ false frame and behind the bit

PhoenixRising5 · 07-24-2007, 08:14 PM

the first link didn't work. do you have another one?

Just_me · 07-27-2007, 09:30 AM

Correct
http://www.kellymcginn.com/Canter%20Pirouette%20with%20frame.jpg

Incorrect
http://www.horsemanpro.com/images3/harmony-what200.jpg

http://www.sustainabledressage.com/r...t/367_6714.gif

The first horse is advanced,obviously,but he uses his back nicely and collects instead of just folding the head.He's overall 'round'

The incorrect horse is on the forhand+hollows the back a little.The rider just pulls the head in.Do you see how the poll is not the highest point anymore?that is wrong.

JBandRio · 07-27-2007, 11:13 AM

While indeed several of the pictures are of a correct posture, keep in mind that most of them are FAR above the level that you are, Phoenix. So, your horse isn't going to look like that, and if he does, it's likely not a back to front frame, but front to back.

Here is what your horse might look like at a relatively low level of dressage:
(from ClassicalDressage.com - Dedicated to the Preservation and Promotion of classical Horsemanship.)

The head and neck are lower, but the horse is still using his hind end, lifting his withers, and is round from tail to poll.

Even this is still good:

If you're at an even lower level, this "headset" is perfect for the situation - the horse is working from behind, back is lifted, hind feet tracking up, withers lifted, but the amount of collection isn't what the previous 2 pictures were, and is certainly not what it is in the beautiful picture that Just Me posted. But it's a perfectly fine place for the lower level horse to be, and is a place where even upper level horses still need to be able to work:

PhoenixRising5 · 07-28-2007, 06:01 PM

Ok. Thanks for the help! We only do novice but I would like to take him up into training for eventing. I would LOVE to be able to have him do reasonable in a First Level test. But that dream is a LONG way away! LOL

kizmet · 07-28-2007, 06:06 PM

Always keep your goals there is nothing stopping you! Sometimes its more fun reaching your goals than when you have acheived them! Lifes only intresting if you are reaching for something.

JumpsxGlory · 07-28-2007, 06:13 PM

It's not about the headset, it all comes from behind. Your horse needs to be working correctly from behind with impulsion and forewardness. Do you have any pics of you riding your horse??

07-24-2007, 07:41 PM	#11
PhoenixRising5 Full Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: In my tackbox Posts: 207 Images: 6 Blog Entries: 3	Thanks for all your help. Do you have any pictures of a correct headset vs. and incorrect one? There are mirrors that I can open while I'm riding to see how his head is. __________________ Phoenix Rising- Phoenix (8yr old Sport Pony) I'm a Lucky Charm-Lucky (24 yr old Welsh Pony)

07-24-2007, 07:55 PM	#12
Silverleprichua Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 666 Images: 31	not the best picture but it's decent. Her nose is slightly in front of the vertical and she's reaching into contact while staying forward, supple, soft, and relaxed. http://members.tripod.com/~tisca/tis3.jpg http://www.dkimages.com/discover/pre...8/65022757.JPG ^ false frame and behind the bit __________________ www.tayloradams.org http://silverleprichuan.deviantart.com/

07-24-2007, 08:14 PM	#13
PhoenixRising5 Full Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: In my tackbox Posts: 207 Images: 6 Blog Entries: 3	the first link didn't work. do you have another one? __________________ Phoenix Rising- Phoenix (8yr old Sport Pony) I'm a Lucky Charm-Lucky (24 yr old Welsh Pony)

07-27-2007, 09:30 AM	#14
Just_me Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: europe-the wide wild world:-) Posts: 2,519 Images: 6	Correct http://www.kellymcginn.com/Canter%20Pirouette%20with%20frame.jpg Incorrect http://www.horsemanpro.com/images3/harmony-what200.jpg http://www.sustainabledressage.com/r...t/367_6714.gif The first horse is advanced,obviously,but he uses his back nicely and collects instead of just folding the head.He's overall 'round' The incorrect horse is on the forhand+hollows the back a little.The rider just pulls the head in.Do you see how the poll is not the highest point anymore?that is wrong. __________________ ,.:+`The OnLy Place Where YoUr DreAms BecOme ImpoSsIble,Is In YoUr Own ThinKing`+:.,

07-27-2007, 11:13 AM	#15
JBandRio Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NC Posts: 21,613 Images: 132 Blog Entries: 12	While indeed several of the pictures are of a correct posture, keep in mind that most of them are FAR above the level that you are, Phoenix. So, your horse isn't going to look like that, and if he does, it's likely not a back to front frame, but front to back. Here is what your horse might look like at a relatively low level of dressage: (from ClassicalDressage.com - Dedicated to the Preservation and Promotion of classical Horsemanship.) The head and neck are lower, but the horse is still using his hind end, lifting his withers, and is round from tail to poll. Even this is still good: If you're at an even lower level, this "headset" is perfect for the situation - the horse is working from behind, back is lifted, hind feet tracking up, withers lifted, but the amount of collection isn't what the previous 2 pictures were, and is certainly not what it is in the beautiful picture that Just Me posted. But it's a perfectly fine place for the lower level horse to be, and is a place where even upper level horses still need to be able to work: __________________ - JB Acres, owned and operated by Dynamite animals. - It's a wonder horses as a whole don't just kill us all and be done with their misery. - Keep your voice soothing and low - even when things get western (buck1173) - Rio feels good - he bounced an in-and-out

07-28-2007, 06:01 PM	#16
PhoenixRising5 Full Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: In my tackbox Posts: 207 Images: 6 Blog Entries: 3	Ok. Thanks for the help! We only do novice but I would like to take him up into training for eventing. I would LOVE to be able to have him do reasonable in a First Level test. But that dream is a LONG way away! LOL __________________ Phoenix Rising- Phoenix (8yr old Sport Pony) I'm a Lucky Charm-Lucky (24 yr old Welsh Pony)

07-28-2007, 06:06 PM	#17
kizmet Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: scotland Posts: 863 Images: 63	Always keep your goals there is nothing stopping you! Sometimes its more fun reaching your goals than when you have acheived them! Lifes only intresting if you are reaching for something.

07-28-2007, 06:13 PM	#18
JumpsxGlory Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 8,686 Images: 1014 Blog Entries: 2	It's not about the headset, it all comes from behind. Your horse needs to be working correctly from behind with impulsion and forewardness. Do you have any pics of you riding your horse?? __________________ 2008 USA Olympic Equestrian Team "I had an uncle who was kicked in the head by a horse"... "What happened to him?".... "He got into politics!" Carpe Diem (Ollie): TB Dressage gelding Member of Dressage Club!

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