[prettyqtrs]

Total charges are also going to depend on how many ultrasounds you have to do. If she is easy to catch in heat, you can start ultrasounding as soon as you see her come in heat- to watch follicle sizes. otheriwse you might have to do some random ultrasounds to see when she is coming in heat. But yes, finding out a general cost per ultrasound, farm call, etc. would be good to know, for your benefit.

Good luck. And if you have any other questions please feel free to contact me, I'd be more than willing to try and help out.

[DallasRechelle]

Originally Posted by ryu2832

If you are at all considering feep any fillies as possible breeding stock, I would add one word of caution for Feuertanzer. The offspring would be registered section D Trakeher--and not admissable into the Official Stud Book.

The fillies could be registered though with the Warmblood Association, as could the colts. I did find a Hanoverian stud about 2 miles from here, so I need to go see him as well.

Right now, my priority is (obviously) getting Delight back to health. She's almost there, but that is the first concern. If it means I miss the next breeding season, then as upset as I'd be by that, it will be what is best for her. She's had enough of other people putting their needs & wants ahead of hers, it's time she was the priority.

She's coming along nicely now, today was great. She is starting to trust me and obey verbal commands, tomorrow we start to lunge again. I'm also going to take her out of 24/7 pasture and have her in stall with daily turnouts, as she doesn't seem to do well outside that much, she keeps trying to break into a stall. So we'll see how she does with that.

[JBandRio]

"registered with the Warmblood Association" - which one?

Is your mare approved for breeding with any WB registry? If not, neither will the foal be.

If she is, but the stallion isn't, or isn't approved with one of the same registries that the mare is, then the foal won't be registerable.

Both mare and stallion have to be approved for breeding with the same WB registry in order for the foal to be allowed to be registered. Approval is different from being registered. Registration is based on the parents' approvals, and the foal can only be registered with 1 WB registry. Approval is a breeding license given to the mare/stallion by 1 or more registries.

[ryu2832]

Originally Posted by JBandRio

"If she is, but the stallion isn't, or isn't approved with one of the same registries that the mare is, then the foal won't be registerable.

Both mare and stallion have to be approved for breeding with the same WB registry in order for the foal to be allowed to be registered. Approval is different from being registered. Registration is based on the parents' approvals, and the foal can only be registered with 1 WB registry. Approval is a breeding license given to the mare/stallion by 1 or more registries.

I can't speak for any other breed but Trakes, but as long as the mare is bred to an approved Trake Stallion the offspring can be registered in at least the Section D book. If the mare was a TB or Arab, then they might additionally be eligible for Approval into the Preliminary Stud Book, or Official Stud Book.

The deal with Feuertanzer is the he is a purebred Trake, but not an approved Stallion by the ATA, so his offspring can only be Section D registered (doesn't matter what the mare's approval status or breed registry is) in that Association. Even if he is bred to an Trake Official Stud Book mare his foals are not eligible for approval into any of the breeding books for the ATA.

He is fully approved by the Canadian Trake Assoc. and I think the American Warmbloods--it just depends on if you are going for future Stud Book approval, or just papers. If you eventually wanted registrration and full approval into a breeding book, the American Warmbloods would be the best bet.

But JB is right, be sure you can get what you want from the breed association before you pick a stallion. Huge difference between Registration and Approval.

I'm not sure what the registration or approval implications are if you breed your Hanno. mare to a TB stud. It might require you taking her to an approval trial--if she isn't already approved into a mare or stud book.

Just some light reading in your spare time! Good of you to put the mare first. It's amazing what 6 months of good care can do for a horse. I bet she's going to be a very happy girl come springtime.

I would still have the breeding exam done now--then you would have an idea if breeding as even a possibility for her. If she does have an infection, better to catch it now than the beginning of breeding season.

Good luck with your girl!

[Barn_Brat]

Ugh warmblood papers are so annoying.
I hope you do..that would help..

[Reed Hill Farm]

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[Nylar]

Originally Posted by jumpthemoon

I can only imagine that the rude and insulting posters on this thread must be either jealous and or very sad insecure people. The OP has been nothing but sincere and respectful here as far as I can tell.

I agree with you 100% as that is one of the reasons I don't post on this forum very much.

[Equine Repro]

Okay, you guys are going to get a crash course in warmblood breeding, 'cause there's obviously some confusion here with regards to the ins and outs of it. First and foremost, just because you breed to a warmblood stallion does NOT mean that you will get registration papers for your foal. You say your mare is registered and that you will be getting her registration papers. That's good. But, that's only the beginning. In order for her foals to be eligible for registration, she must be presented to a warmblood registry and the stallion you choose to breed her to must be licensed with the registry you choose to present her to. Feurtanzer is not licensed and any resulting foals would only be eligible for a certificate of pedigree.

European type warmblood registries have stringent approval requirements. It's part of the process of insuring that their breeding programs move forward and substandard animals are not (hopefully) used for breeding. Mares are presented when they are three or older. They are inspected for general conformation and gaits. If they pass, they are placed into (depending on the registry) one of the mare books. Stallions go through a considerably more strict and strenous inspection. At three, they are inspected in hand on their conformation and gaits. They are then turned loose and their gaits are again judged. They are then free jumped and scored on their jumping ability. Depending on the registry, some will require testing under saddle, as well. If they pass this initial inspection, they are given the nod to go on and either be performance tested at a 100 day test (in this country) or they can try and become fully licensed through performance. In order to be licensed through performance, again, depending on the registry but most require that they compete at recognized shows and receive specific scores or placings. The ISR/Oldenburg NA require that the stallion compete at Grand Prix jumping, Grand Prix dressage or Advanced Level Eventing. The stallion must place 1st, 2nd or 3rd at three different events in Jumping, Eventing or dressage and their scores must be above a specified level. So, you are talking about some TOUGH requirements for a stallion to become licensed.

The requirements are in place to help to insure that the quality of warmblood breeding is always (at least hopefully) moving forward. There are a small handful of Thoroughbred stallions that are approved for warmblood breeding in a few of the warmblood registries. Coconut Grove comes to mind. But they are few and far between. I believe there is one Arabian stallion in this country that is approved for breeding by a warmblood registry. Breeding to a Quarter horse would merely insure that you've produced a grade animal that isn't really eligible for anything If you're going to breed and you've got a mare that has competed to the levels you stated, be selective!!!!! It will help to insure that the offspring at least stands some chance of marketability should you decide to sell it.

I wrote an article on warmblood breeding, registries and requirements several years ago called "What's In A Brand?"...I'll see if I can dig it up. It appeared in Hunter and Sport Horse Magazine. Although it's outdated now, the basics are still pretty much the same.

I can't tell from the photo of your mare what she really is like. But, PM me. I'm only 2 hours from you in Wynnewood, Oklahoma and Mannhattan is fully licensed and approved. He may work for you and we're running a super, super promotion on him right now. You can check him and some of his offspring out at Welcome

Hope that helps!

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[BornToRide]

Originally Posted by lucky_pine

Is this her?


Okay, see, I'm sorry but I have a HUGE problem with this. That cross, well, isn't going to work and your reasons for breeding, simply put, SUC.K.
So tell me, what's her performance record? She was malnurished? So I'm guessing, since you said it yourself, she isn't up to her full weight yet? So you're going to BREED HER. Do you realize that is a VERY BAD idea at the moment?
I am so against breeding a mare without a performance record. They have to prove themselves at something.
And, your mares legs are enough to turn me off breeding her. I'm really not trying to be rude, just truthful. But her back legs, even not set up, are well, waaayyy under herself and toed out. And is she pigeon toed in the front?
If you can't afford to take one chance at getting the foal you want with the stallion you want, and one that COMPLIMENTS her, then you shouldn't breed.

ok i have no idea what has crawled up your butt and died in the last few months but you have to tone it down a little bit. you have been nothing but rude to alot of people.



that picture given isnt a good confo picture,, maybe take a better one.. and a newer one please.

[BornToRide]

Originally Posted by lilrider

Ahem... by performance records I am assuming you mean bigger shows not smaller ones? If so then why are you breeding Baby? How many shows has she done? How many big ones? And how many wins?

Plus it says thats pics from the day she took possession of her... which could have been a year ago or 3 or a month ago. We really need more info on the mare and stud.

Pot calling the kettle black and you could be a little less rude... don't know whats got into you lately

Exactly.. agree 100%