Hanoverian with a Quarter Horse

JBandRio · 10-20-2006, 06:52 PM

The picture posted of the mare is NOT a good one to critique conformation from, therefore not a good one to critique anything about breeding her.

As for not knowing about Trakehners even though you have a Hano? Traks are not the most well-known WBs. For those of you who are new to WBs, do YOU know about them? I could say "Wow, you have an Oldenburg, but you have never heard of a Rheinlander? I guess you'd better go about researching approved blood before you do anything" but that would be rude. Not everyone care about papers. Not everyone with a WB, approved or not, wants to breed to the specifications of any WB registry. There's nothing wrong with having a nice mare and simply wanting to breed to a nice stallion to get a nice foal, as long as you do your research into the genetics behind breeding. As I mentioned before, wanting to breed to a QH doesn't mean much - calling something a QH has a WIDE range of implications as to body type, and unless you know the phenotype of the stallion, as well as preferably 2 generations back, it's not a wise choice.

lilrider · 10-20-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by minihorses4ever

Honestly? I don't know if I would even go about breeding her. She looks decent, but then again, she also looks like a lot of other mares I see. She just doesn't have that "wow" factor for me. The mare is just as important as the stud, and in order for me to think of them as breeding material, I need to see it in both of them.

Maybe some good conformation shots would change my mind, but as of now, I don't see anything special. She those look like she makes you very happy though! Sorry if I sounded blunt or rude..

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A lot of mares on this forum who are being bred are so so... and with no performance record. The fact that she has an impecable performance record makes me believe it would be worth looking into. Plus if you read the mare was underweight with long fet in the photo.

Could you get some better confo photos of her?

lilrider · 10-20-2006, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBandRio

The picture posted of the mare is NOT a good one to critique conformation from, therefore not a good one to critique anything about breeding her.

As for not knowing about Trakehners even though you have a Hano? Traks are not the most well-known WBs. For those of you who are new to WBs, do YOU know about them? I could say "Wow, you have an Oldenburg, but you have never heard of a Rheinlander? I guess you'd better go about researching approved blood before you do anything" but that would be rude. Not everyone care about papers. Not everyone with a WB, approved or not, wants to breed to the specifications of any WB registry. There's nothing wrong with having a nice mare and simply wanting to breed to a nice stallion to get a nice foal, as long as you do your research into the genetics behind breeding. As I mentioned before, wanting to breed to a QH doesn't mean much - calling something a QH has a WIDE range of implications as to body type, and unless you know the phenotype of the stallion, as well as preferably 2 generations back, it's not a wise choice.

Great post I agree 100%

Acme Acres · 10-20-2006, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Barn_Brat

Oh..Oops Sorry.
I was wrong..

LOL.. No problem

jumpthemoon · 10-20-2006, 10:56 PM

I can only imagine that the rude and insulting posters on this thread must be either jealous and or very sad insecure people. The OP has been nothing but sincere and respectful here as far as I can tell.

To the OP:

Congratulations for basically rescuing this nice mare! I think once you are able to bring her back to full health and take some new pictures then the pics will due her justice! I would love to hear about the bloodlines of your mare once you are able to get her papers.

DallasRechelle · 10-21-2006, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by lilrider

Could you get some better confo photos of her?

The farrier is coming on Tuesday to do her hooves, so I'll get them after they're trimmed. Plus by then I should be able to get all the mud out of her mane (we've had storms and every time I groom her, she rolls in it again 5 minutes later). I'm grooming & lunging today, Saturday's are her work day. The rest of the time is just building her trust & respect back. I've got a trainer lined up to help me with retraining her to saddle, since her old owner got bucked off repeatedly and never did anything to correct that behaviour plus she needs to learn to neck rein.

DallasRechelle · 10-21-2006, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jumpthemoon

I can only imagine that the rude and insulting posters on this thread must be either jealous and or very sad insecure people. The OP has been nothing but sincere and respectful here as far as I can tell.

To the OP:

Congratulations for basically rescuing this nice mare! I think once you are able to bring her back to full health and take some new pictures then the pics will due her justice! I would love to hear about the bloodlines of your mare once you are able to get her papers.

THANK YOU!!! I'm new to Warmbloods, before this I've had Arabs & Thoroughbreds (and one QH but we don't talk about him LOL). I haven't had horses of my own for several years and Delight kinda fell into my lap. I'm a cattle person by birth, raised & bred some top quality cattle. So now I'm working on horses instead and need guidance, and I thought that I could get that here. Overall I have, so I'm extremely grateful and the ones that are being rude will just be ignored, I don't have time for rudeness. It's not like I'm taking Delight tomorrow to breed her, I'm doing it late winter early spring, so I've got the time, if I just get pointed in the right direction.

prettyqtrs · 10-21-2006, 07:07 AM

I wouldn't exclude AI yet. We do all of our breeding by AI. It is safer for the mare, stallion, and handler(s). And I know exactly how my mare is being taken care of. Plus you are not restricted to stallions only in your area. And I think that is a big problem because some people see AI as too expensive and I'd rather just be stuck with a stallion in my area so I don't have to ship semen. In my opinion, if you are going to breed, do it right. Obviously we all have a spending limit, but if you are taking the time to breed your mare and bring another foal into this world make the right decision. If you are worried about a little extra cost when doing AI- you'd be in a big surpirse when you have an emergency pop up. You say you are wanting to build your herd. I always like using the term, Go Big or Go Home. Breed to the best to get the best. Don't just settle for anything that comes along because, well I guess it will do.
You can get/find a superb stallion and he might be on the other side of the country. But with AI you can easily have the mare bred. I'd suggest finding a very good equine vet (and good in repro) to help you with AI. We've only had 2 cases of a mare not taking with AI. One was because she had a reaction to the extender and the other mare didn't take because the stallion's semen quality was very poor. Otherwise, we've had a pretty good success rate. And it's not only the mare--you have to take in account the stallions semen. So with that, when inquiring on a stallion always try to find out a little about the semen quality- count, mobility, etc.

And please, don't take this as I'm being rude or ignorant. I'm truely just trying to be helpful, give some pointers, etc. I'm trying to bring you into the light of artificial insemination. hahaha

What ever decision you make, best wishes!

DallasRechelle · 10-21-2006, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by prettyqtrs

And please, don't take this as I'm being rude or ignorant. I'm truely just trying to be helpful, give some pointers, etc. I'm trying to bring you into the light of artificial insemination. hahaha

What ever decision you make, best wishes!

Thank you! I'm actually starting to consider the AI route now. I do have a couple TBs in the area I will be looking at, but I've got a Selle Francais stud, a Trakehner stud and possibly some Elite Warmblood studs I'm considering. I haven't ruled out Arabs yet, but they will have to be tall and well built for her to breed to. After the helpful advice I got, the QH stud is out. I want tall horses, so I'm looking for height, which why the Arabs are most likely out. My vet does AI, I believe, so I'll see what his charge is for it.

And no, you were definitely not rude! Actually only one or two people were rude, most everyone else has been wonderful!

ryu2832 · 10-21-2006, 03:15 PM

I suggested Feuertanzer because there seems to be some concern over price. He does have Abglanz in his pedigree who has been very influencial in the Hannoverian breed. Also I know that his sire Martini *Pg*E (*Pg=highest performance level, gold and *E is recognition of producing quality offspring) crosses well with other Warmblood breeds.

If you are at all considering feep any fillies as possible breeding stock, I would add one word of caution for Feuertanzer. The offspring would be registered section D Trakeher--and not admissable into the Official Stud Book.

He is a nice stud, and foals could be presented for other breed registration--such as Oldenburg, but it is something to consider. I think they go into this on their website if you want to check it out.

If you want to take the time, I would be happy to do a pedigree analysis and walk you through it for your mare to help you pick the right stallion for your girl. We might be able to find you a high value stud (right pedigree for less $$), maybe a younger guy on the way up.

I'm not going to tell you if you should or shouldn't breed, but I will say this. Foals are a lot of work and heartache. Especially foal #1. It will be years before you get any return on your investment of time and money. It can be emotionally exhausting, and requires a serious commitment of time and emotional energy.

If you think it's still something you want to do, find the best repro. vet you can--one that has a portable U/S. Have a thorough breeding fittness exam done. I would put at least $1000 in the bank for vet fees and mare care.

Again I'm happy to help with the pedigree analysis. Just let me know her details.

10-20-2006, 06:52 PM	#41
JBandRio Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NC Posts: 23,440 Images: 143 Blog Entries: 12	The picture posted of the mare is NOT a good one to critique conformation from, therefore not a good one to critique anything about breeding her. As for not knowing about Trakehners even though you have a Hano? Traks are not the most well-known WBs. For those of you who are new to WBs, do YOU know about them? I could say "Wow, you have an Oldenburg, but you have never heard of a Rheinlander? I guess you'd better go about researching approved blood before you do anything" but that would be rude. Not everyone care about papers. Not everyone with a WB, approved or not, wants to breed to the specifications of any WB registry. There's nothing wrong with having a nice mare and simply wanting to breed to a nice stallion to get a nice foal, as long as you do your research into the genetics behind breeding. As I mentioned before, wanting to breed to a QH doesn't mean much - calling something a QH has a WIDE range of implications as to body type, and unless you know the phenotype of the stallion, as well as preferably 2 generations back, it's not a wise choice. __________________ - JB Acres, owned and operated by Dynamite animals. - It's a wonder horses as a whole don't just kill us all and be done with their misery. - Keep your voice soothing and low - even when things get western (buck1173) - Rio feels good - he bounced an in-and-out

10-21-2006, 07:07 AM	#48
prettyqtrs Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 3,079	I wouldn't exclude AI yet. We do all of our breeding by AI. It is safer for the mare, stallion, and handler(s). And I know exactly how my mare is being taken care of. Plus you are not restricted to stallions only in your area. And I think that is a big problem because some people see AI as too expensive and I'd rather just be stuck with a stallion in my area so I don't have to ship semen. In my opinion, if you are going to breed, do it right. Obviously we all have a spending limit, but if you are taking the time to breed your mare and bring another foal into this world make the right decision. If you are worried about a little extra cost when doing AI- you'd be in a big surpirse when you have an emergency pop up. You say you are wanting to build your herd. I always like using the term, Go Big or Go Home. Breed to the best to get the best. Don't just settle for anything that comes along because, well I guess it will do. You can get/find a superb stallion and he might be on the other side of the country. But with AI you can easily have the mare bred. I'd suggest finding a very good equine vet (and good in repro) to help you with AI. We've only had 2 cases of a mare not taking with AI. One was because she had a reaction to the extender and the other mare didn't take because the stallion's semen quality was very poor. Otherwise, we've had a pretty good success rate. And it's not only the mare--you have to take in account the stallions semen. So with that, when inquiring on a stallion always try to find out a little about the semen quality- count, mobility, etc. And please, don't take this as I'm being rude or ignorant. I'm truely just trying to be helpful, give some pointers, etc. I'm trying to bring you into the light of artificial insemination. hahaha What ever decision you make, best wishes! __________________ ~Meg~ ~ Poco ~ BG ~ Star ~ Deville ~

10-21-2006, 03:15 PM	#50
ryu2832 Senior Member+ Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Iowa, USA Posts: 2,957 Images: 43	I suggested Feuertanzer because there seems to be some concern over price. He does have Abglanz in his pedigree who has been very influencial in the Hannoverian breed. Also I know that his sire Martini PgE (Pg=highest performance level, gold and E is recognition of producing quality offspring) crosses well with other Warmblood breeds. If you are at all considering feep any fillies as possible breeding stock, I would add one word of caution for Feuertanzer. The offspring would be registered section D Trakeher--and not admissable into the Official Stud Book. He is a nice stud, and foals could be presented for other breed registration--such as Oldenburg, but it is something to consider. I think they go into this on their website if you want to check it out. If you want to take the time, I would be happy to do a pedigree analysis and walk you through it for your mare to help you pick the right stallion for your girl. We might be able to find you a high value stud (right pedigree for less $$), maybe a younger guy on the way up. I'm not going to tell you if you should or shouldn't breed, but I will say this. Foals are a lot of work and heartache. Especially foal #1. It will be years before you get any return on your investment of time and money. It can be emotionally exhausting, and requires a serious commitment of time and emotional energy. If you think it's still something you want to do, find the best repro. vet you can--one that has a portable U/S. Have a thorough breeding fittness exam done. I would put at least $1000 in the bank for vet fees and mare care. Again I'm happy to help with the pedigree analysis. Just let me know her details. __________________ Gene Pool: Warning, no lifegaurd on duty. "Advice is what we ask for when we already know the answer but wish we didn't." author Erica Jong

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10-20-2006, 10:56 PM	#45
jumpthemoon Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: CA Posts: 4,361 Images: 49	I can only imagine that the rude and insulting posters on this thread must be either jealous and or very sad insecure people. The OP has been nothing but sincere and respectful here as far as I can tell. To the OP: Congratulations for basically rescuing this nice mare! I think once you are able to bring her back to full health and take some new pictures then the pics will due her justice! I would love to hear about the bloodlines of your mare once you are able to get her papers.