[Arabians4ME]

Okay well I had some people come to look at Touch today and my foals so when I put Touch in the round pen Gabby came trotting up to him in a very flirtacious way. I thought well maybe she's just being showy. (LDB was the 15th) However as the day went on she just kept standing at the gate 'talking' to Touch and I called Dr. S to see what he thought. He just stopped by and ultrasounded her for me and (note she had a nice 40 follicle when checked the 9th) well she had a 45 (guesstimate) follicle! AGAIN! Not more than 10 days later! UGH! However he said her uterus is full of fluid (not good) so here's the plan breed her tonight and Thursday while and she's getting Oxytocin. I'm so disappointed...

Anyway here's my ironic thought. I have a former post somewhere around here about Gabby's abcesses (I can't find it) and I have made this weird observation. Everytime she has an abcess she comes in heat. (She has abcesses exactly every 6 weeks.) (We are working on this issue without much success) For example last year about when she lost her foal she had a really bad abcess and was back in heat 2 days later and has been the same way ever since. Yes even though she was in heat maybe not even a week before. I dare think it's a similarity but kinda makes me wonder.

... and for the record:
she had 2 cultures come back bad and has been infused 3 times. Her 3rd and 4th cultures came back clean. She's had a CBC that came back normal also. She's also had gastroscopy done and found no evidence of ulcers yet seems to have ulcer like symptoms. Was started on Cimetidine and had wonderful results. She is no longer on Cimetidine but is given alfalfa as it has been proven to help horses with mild ulcer problems. This has worked wonders for her. That's all I can think of for now but I am looking for some help in the abcess area! I posted this on health board before and only thing people could come up with was prevention ways. I wanna way to stop it! She was kept stalled for 7-8 years and never taken out before I got her and I am quite sure this is majority of the problem. We have started her on BioMeth and were going to see where this goes....

However just needed to get that off my chest!

[BestofPrincess]

wow thats alot... sorry I cant really help

[Arabians4ME]

*yawn*

Well I guess no one had anything to say about it? UG! I wanted some reinforcement here! Why do I always have the crazy problems!?

Now the real bummer is my family is on a mission trip and Adam works construction so he doesn't get home to really late. So we didn't get her bred until 7:30 ish this evening so I have to stay up till at least 1130 to give her the Oxytocin. Bummer huh? I was so looking forward to bed time!

Oh and another thing!
Does anyone have a mare that when she is in heat she slams and I mean slams (so hard the barn wall shakes) her hips into the barn wall or if she's out in the field it's the gate or a fence panel. She literally beats her hip points bloody. I can't decide what to do about this but as I sit her now I can here her beating the wall and she's in the last stall in the barn and is about 200 yds from the house. UG I'll never get to sleep!

[Shannon]

Wow Jamie...I don't think the breeding gods like you very much

Where is Gabby getting abscesses? Why on earth does that happen?

Thankfully I don't have a mare who beats herself up when she's in heat, though Queen does think she's a stallion and act all studdish to the mare in the next stall.

I hope you got some sleep tonight!

[wyldterv]

Has Gabby been checked for ovarian cysts or follicle cysts? I'm just thinking here... perhaps she's slamming her hips into a bloody mess because she is having pain while in season? That's not a behavior I've ever heard of or witnessed...

Also, I'm curious why the vet recommended going ahead with a breeding when there was a large amount of fluid present in the uterous? I'm not questioning the quality of your vet at all!!! It's just been my experience to have the vet recommend against breeding if there's fluid present in the uterous.

Maybe Gabby just doesn't want a foal this coming year??? Sometimes mares don't always cooperate with OUR plans, darn it all...

Interesting about the abscess timing with her seasons! You know, if she's in pain when she comes into season, perhaps she's carrying her weight differently during that time range and that puts excessive pressure someone and that's what's causing the abcess issue??? Just a random idea, but is the only scenario I can come up with that makes any sense to me...

[shandi]

(Does anyone have a mare that when she is in heat she slams and I mean slams (so hard the barn wall shakes) her hips into the barn wall or if she's out in the field it's the gate or a fence panel. She literally beats her hip points bloody. )

I have a mare that slams her hips into walls, tree's etc. and also rubs herself raw when cycling. She is also an easy breeder, and great mother. When she is floated when cycling, she actually rocks the float with the swinging hips in the float. I hate the years I dont breed her, as she destroys walls on sheds etc with her thumping.

[3WishesDun]

Goodness Jamie-
I don't know what to say about the abscesses or the hip slamming. I think Wyldterv had a very good theory about the abscesses though. Are they always in the same foot or always in the fronts vs the backs?
I hope that all is going well for you. You and your herd are in my thoughts & prayers.

[Solsalia]

I'm sorry you have to deal with some more stuff. UGH! I've never heard of that.

[Arabians4ME]

Originally Posted by wyldterv

Has Gabby been checked for ovarian cysts or follicle cysts? I'm just thinking here... perhaps she's slamming her hips into a bloody mess because she is having pain while in season? That's not a behavior I've ever heard of or witnessed...

Also, I'm curious why the vet recommended going ahead with a breeding when there was a large amount of fluid present in the uterous? I'm not questioning the quality of your vet at all!!! It's just been my experience to have the vet recommend against breeding if there's fluid present in the uterous.

Maybe Gabby just doesn't want a foal this coming year??? Sometimes mares don't always cooperate with OUR plans, darn it all...

Interesting about the abscess timing with her seasons! You know, if she's in pain when she comes into season, perhaps she's carrying her weight differently during that time range and that puts excessive pressure someone and that's what's causing the abcess issue??? Just a random idea, but is the only scenario I can come up with that makes any sense to me...

Okay Karyn, Let's hope I answer all your questions.
Gabby has been checked for cysts. None at all.

Why did he reccomend this we are going on two years now with no foal. This is a hairy situation and (can't discuss on here) and I really need to get just this one foal out of her to get something settled. The fluid in her uterus is urine from pooling and we know this happens with her anyway. (sorry didn't mention this) that's why he's given the oxytocin. It's going to happen everytime. Does that make sense? That's why we are trying the oxytocin. Apparently they have a high success rate with this working for mares in this situation. We'll hope so! I would trust him with my life!

Good thought on abcesses but I'm thinking and I just don't see how that would work. It's always in her front two feet and at the back point of her frog. Interestingly enough. Also I think what I said was a little misleading. See I bred Gabby the 12, -17th on a GOOD follicle. Shewent out and then on the 23rd is when she got the abcess and was in heat by 25th.

Maybe something else I should mention also when Gabby foaled in 04 for the last 3 months before foaling she acted like she was in heat and would tease to anything and also then beat her hips. She stayed so small with the foal she was literally palpated every other month to make sure she was still infoal up to her 9th month. That's a whole nother story though. Wasn't my doing and well I was just along for the ride!

I hope I answered everything. It's just another one of those hairy things I get into! However I totally learned a stupid lesson!

Thanks for you input! Now just everyone cross everything that we can get her preggers and keep it that way this time!

[wyldterv]

Have you and the vet discussed doing a Caslicks on her???? Mares that retain urine are often alleviated of that issue with a Caslicks... Just something to think about...

Also, interesting about the abscesses, but I am still wondering if they are due to her shifting her weight more forward for a period of time due to some type of discomfort she's having while she's getting ready to come into season??? Probably no way to confirm this in anyway... but there really are 'coincidences' when something keeps recurring, even if periodically... first time is a coinicidence, second or more time is symptomatic of SOMETHING... finding that SOMETHING however may or may not be possible...

Good luck with everything!