Great Video on BLM Long Term Holding Facilities

VivaLasVegas · 09-18-2009, 01:04 PM

The link is for the BLM's Quick Facts on horses in long term care. The video on it shows what the long term facilities are actually like. For anyone interested, please check it out.
http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/prog/wil...act_Sheet.html

mftx4 · 09-19-2009, 12:00 PM

The video clip in a red dot, Viva. It says it's of animals on pasture, not holding pens. If you can fix it or give a web address, I'd like to see how they are managed in holding pens. I've said before, I saw the 'holding pens' in Texas, years ago and it wasn't pretty.

seaglimmerfarms · 09-19-2009, 12:18 PM

If you really want to see not pretty see the video shot after the BLM called off further penning of the Pryor Mountain mustangs after a mare tied up severely and a large percentage of the horses, especially the babies, are dog lame. They released a good number already of the dog lame horses back into the wild. They also wouldn't allow the Humane Viewer to be near the pens. There's another lawsuit in order. I'll try to dig up the links from the different pages that are now citing the BLM with animal cruelty.

YouTube - Lame Foals on Cloud's Mountain as Result of Poorly Planned Roundup

YouTube - Lame Foal from Summer Roundup

VivaLasVegas · 09-19-2009, 04:15 PM

Mfxt - This was a video from Long Term Holding. The horses are not kept in pens once they go into long term care. They are only in pens in sort term holding. I'm not sure what you meant by another link? I just clicked play and it worked.
I'm gonna try to find you something on short term holding, from what I have seen in my own experience, they are handled very well, all things considered. It's not easy to handle these animals, believe me, things can be hectic, but they do the best they can.

Seaglimmers - I was not talking about temporary holding pens for gathers, I will agree they can be a chaotic place. We are talking about long term holding facilities. The BLM ended the gather early to prevent further stress on the animals (shouldn't that show they are concerned?) Yes, there is a video of a lame foal, but its sore, I don't see any permanent damage. As for humane viewers, she was allowed the first several days of the gather. If you want info from an UNBIASED source then check out this blog from the Pryor Mountain Wild Mustang Center, he is not an advocate of the BLM or The Cloud Foundation, just an advocate of the horses http://www.pryormustangs.org/mustang_blog.shtml this is the most accurate unbiased info I have seen out there thanks to Beeks. Please read it.

mftx4 · 09-19-2009, 04:42 PM

I didn't have the 'add-on' to view the clip. I'm still learning and forming opinions on the care of the wild horses. I believe a person should look at all angles of a situation before voicing to loud of an opinion. Many here seem to only talk about Cloud and the Pryor Mountain herds. What about the rest, scatered throughout the western states? Who speaks for them? I'm only curious, not saying any one herd or the other is more important. Just looking for info from someone that knows some answers.

VivaLasVegas · 09-19-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mftx4

I didn't have the 'add-on' to view the clip. I'm still learning and forming opinions on the care of the wild horses. I believe a person should look at all angles of a situation before voicing to loud of an opinion. Many here seem to only talk about Cloud and the Pryor Mountain herds. What about the rest, scatered throughout the western states? Who speaks for them? I'm only curious, not saying any one herd or the other is more important. Just looking for info from someone that knows some answers.

Hm... I dunno whats up with the clip, and I unfortunately am about as computer illiterate as they come

. I agree with you 100%, I wanted answers, so I went out to find them. I was first interested in The Cloud Foundation, they are a little too radical for me, I believe the horses do need to be managed, as they are a feral species competing with native wildlife for forage and water. I was also turned off by the fact that they are putting the money from donations into their own pockets, they say they are for charity, but they refuse to show you where the money goes - which is illegal. That was why I got involved with the BLM. They are not perfect, but they really do the best they can for these horses. I don't agree with everything they do, but I feel the best way to make change is from within, so I will support them. I care about these animals, but have enough commen sense to realize they do need to be managed, they do damage the land, as do cattle, but beef brings in money and feeds people, horses don't. I don't like it any more than any one else, but its the truth. Theres more to the ranchers than that, but thats a big part of it.

mftx4 · 09-19-2009, 05:26 PM

I just needed the extention on my Windows Media Player to be able to see it.
The fact that money is going in to pockets instead of care for these horse is part of the reason that it's very hard to see many things being accomplished. If the knowledge of it happening, is there, why isn't something being done about it, or has there been?
I've read information that states, that geldings can not be returned to the wild. Why? If they were to be returned as a group, why wouldn't they form as bachelor bands? They may no longer reproduce, but surely their natural instincts would remain in tact.
In the smaller bands, why wouldn't what they do in the Carolina's with the wild ponies, each year or so, work?

VivaLasVegas · 09-19-2009, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mftx4

I just needed the extention on my Windows Media Player to be able to see it.
The fact that money is going in to pockets instead of care for these horse is part of the reason that it's very hard to see many things being accomplished. If the knowledge of it happening, is there, why isn't something being done about it, or has there been?
I've read information that states, that geldings can not be returned to the wild. Why? If they were to be returned as a group, why wouldn't they form as bachelor bands? They may no longer reproduce, but surely their natural instincts would remain in tact.
In the smaller bands, why wouldn't what they do in the Carolina's with the wild ponies, each year or so, work?

The Cloud Foundation is being looked into, but they are not stupid and they have gotten around it in years past.
Ok, as for the gelding thing, from my understanding, they just don't see a point in gelding and returning them to the wild, if they are just going to live in bachelor bands, there will still be other studs impregnating mare, so why waste the money? If they are going to put the money into gelding studs, then they might as well adopt them out to.
I'm not overly familiar with the ponies in the Carolinas, is it anything like the Maryland side or Virginia side of the Assateague? What exactly do they do down there?

mftx4 · 09-19-2009, 05:49 PM

It's pretty much the same. They gather the younger ones to be sold. Seniors and breeding stock are kept on the islands. You may be right about the location. I thought there were some small bands on the islands off the Carolina coast. Marsh Ponies, I think. Either way, it just seems to make sense. The herds numbers are kept low but yet enough there to maintain them.

Lyrical Lass · 09-19-2009, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VivaLasVegas

...... I was also turned off by the fact that they are putting the money from donations into their own pockets,.....

Is that a Fact? .. or your Opinion?
I'm not looking for an argument, just proof

~ Lyrical Lass

09-18-2009, 01:04 PM	#1
VivaLasVegas Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Northern NJ Posts: 550 Images: 5	Great Video on BLM Long Term Holding Facilities The link is for the BLM's Quick Facts on horses in long term care. The video on it shows what the long term facilities are actually like. For anyone interested, please check it out. http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/prog/wil...act_Sheet.html __________________ Adopt a Wild Horse or Burro 1 866 4MUSTANGS Hard Rock's High Roller - BLM Mustang

09-19-2009, 04:15 PM	#4
VivaLasVegas Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Northern NJ Posts: 550 Images: 5	Mfxt - This was a video from Long Term Holding. The horses are not kept in pens once they go into long term care. They are only in pens in sort term holding. I'm not sure what you meant by another link? I just clicked play and it worked. I'm gonna try to find you something on short term holding, from what I have seen in my own experience, they are handled very well, all things considered. It's not easy to handle these animals, believe me, things can be hectic, but they do the best they can. Seaglimmers - I was not talking about temporary holding pens for gathers, I will agree they can be a chaotic place. We are talking about long term holding facilities. The BLM ended the gather early to prevent further stress on the animals (shouldn't that show they are concerned?) Yes, there is a video of a lame foal, but its sore, I don't see any permanent damage. As for humane viewers, she was allowed the first several days of the gather. If you want info from an UNBIASED source then check out this blog from the Pryor Mountain Wild Mustang Center, he is not an advocate of the BLM or The Cloud Foundation, just an advocate of the horses http://www.pryormustangs.org/mustang_blog.shtml this is the most accurate unbiased info I have seen out there thanks to Beeks. Please read it. __________________ Adopt a Wild Horse or Burro 1 866 4MUSTANGS Hard Rock's High Roller - BLM Mustang Last edited by VivaLasVegas; 09-19-2009 at 04:40 PM.

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09-19-2009, 12:00 PM	#2
mftx4 Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cordova, Ill. Posts: 2,095 Images: 48	The video clip in a red dot, Viva. It says it's of animals on pasture, not holding pens. If you can fix it or give a web address, I'd like to see how they are managed in holding pens. I've said before, I saw the 'holding pens' in Texas, years ago and it wasn't pretty.

09-19-2009, 04:42 PM	#5
mftx4 Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cordova, Ill. Posts: 2,095 Images: 48	I didn't have the 'add-on' to view the clip. I'm still learning and forming opinions on the care of the wild horses. I believe a person should look at all angles of a situation before voicing to loud of an opinion. Many here seem to only talk about Cloud and the Pryor Mountain herds. What about the rest, scatered throughout the western states? Who speaks for them? I'm only curious, not saying any one herd or the other is more important. Just looking for info from someone that knows some answers.

09-19-2009, 05:26 PM	#7
mftx4 Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cordova, Ill. Posts: 2,095 Images: 48	I just needed the extention on my Windows Media Player to be able to see it. The fact that money is going in to pockets instead of care for these horse is part of the reason that it's very hard to see many things being accomplished. If the knowledge of it happening, is there, why isn't something being done about it, or has there been? I've read information that states, that geldings can not be returned to the wild. Why? If they were to be returned as a group, why wouldn't they form as bachelor bands? They may no longer reproduce, but surely their natural instincts would remain in tact. In the smaller bands, why wouldn't what they do in the Carolina's with the wild ponies, each year or so, work?

09-19-2009, 05:49 PM	#9
mftx4 Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cordova, Ill. Posts: 2,095 Images: 48	It's pretty much the same. They gather the younger ones to be sold. Seniors and breeding stock are kept on the islands. You may be right about the location. I thought there were some small bands on the islands off the Carolina coast. Marsh Ponies, I think. Either way, it just seems to make sense. The herds numbers are kept low but yet enough there to maintain them.