[Stormyheart6160]

Originally Posted by Top Dun

The same thing could be said for you considering that you have an issue with a health horse being euthanized instead of given away to a new home.

Failing to allow people to euthanize their horses if they want is AS MUCH aiding in contributing to the over population of horses as any one else. If we put STRICT restrictions on breeders I ALSO want to put STRICT restrictions on all rescues. Any horse that fails to be adopted X number of times gets put down also.

Euthanizing a perfectly healthy and sound horse when someone wants it.....it's wrong. No matter how you slice it. It's different if nobody wants to take it. Then, I can see putting it down. But, if there are people who want it and will give it a good home and life, then WHY put it down?

That mentality is no better than keeping slaughter as an option. It still allows for animals that "could" be saved to be killed, so people can continue producing more to be killed. What kind of sense is that?

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Originally Posted by mammamia

How is .02 more expensive? To send a horse to slaughter say from the US it has to travel all the way to Canada or Mexico, you shoot it on your property, it's over in a second. How is that not more humane? I understand the economics of it, I just personally choose not to take part in it. My horses are a hobby by choice. I know plenty of cowboys that don't take their horses to auction or send them for meat they retire on the range or they put them down, it's actually cheaper than driving them to acution for some, one farmer I know is near the feed lot in AB and will send the odd one there IF the horse can handle it. He doesn't use it as a dumping ground though. Is sending horses to slaughter a way to thank the animals we bred, used, worked? Thankfully ranchers I have worked with don't think so.

Life is FULL of choices, it's a matter of what choices one makes. There is always a way.

Okay.

Bang, horse is dead.

Now you have 1,000 pounds of dead animal on your hands. Did you know in some states it's illegal to bury horses on your property? And if not the state itself, many counties have regulations against that?

It cost my grandparents over $350 one time to have a horse hauled off for rendering when the horse was put down. So you're ".02" really is a lot more expensive.

[Top Dun]

Why keep it alive if you can't feed it and can't find a home for it fast enough? It took me a YEAR to sell one horse. What would have happened If I couldn't feed it and it HAD to go TODAY no matter what and I still couldn't give it away? That is what is happening ALL over the place because people can't afford to keep their horses any more. We SHOULD NOT Criticize people who put down healthy horses instead of sending them to slaughter or allowing them to starve to death in the back yard? WHY do ANTI-slaughter people KEEP bringing up Euthanaisa AS AN OPTION and then Criticizing people who consider it? A serious double standard if I ever saw one.

Won't RESPONSIBLE people Doing the RESPONSIBLE thing and putting horses down actually HELP Reduce the populations of unwanted horses? And don't tell me there isn't unwanted horses because if there weren't unwanted horses, we wouldn't have 100,000 horses headed to slaughter in the first place. Don't tell me again it's all the breeders Fault when People get trashed for wanting to put down a healthy horse just because they can't care for it and won't sell it to slaughter. MAKE UP your MIND people!!! Seriously QUIT bringing up the option of euthanaisa until you can support ANYONE euthanizing a horse for ANY reason at ANY time.


Additionally if Euthanaisa is NO better then keeping slaughter as an option then WHY are anti-slaughter people promoting it?????

So Every one who has a problem with a perfectly healthy horse being euthanized instead of bing sold to slaughter or left to starve because the owner can't care for it any more, Go a head and post your name and full address and be willing to accept in those "unwanted" horses from some one else.

Originally Posted by stormyheart6160

Euthanizing a perfectly healthy and sound horse when someone wants it.....it's wrong. No matter how you slice it. It's different if nobody wants to take it. Then, I can see putting it down. But, if there are people who want it and will give it a good home and life, then WHY put it down?

That mentality is no better than keeping slaughter as an option. It still allows for animals that "could" be saved to be killed, so people can continue producing more to be killed. What kind of sense is that?

[Stormyheart6160]

Originally Posted by Top Dun

Why keep it alive if you can't feed it and can't find a home for it fast enough? It took me a YEAR to sell one horse. What would have happened If I couldn't feed it and it HAD to go TODAY no matter what and I still couldn't give it away? That is what is happening ALL over the place because people can't afford to keep their horses any more. We SHOULD NOT Criticize people who put down healthy horses instead of sending them to slaughter or allowing them to starve to death in the back yard? WHY do ANTI-slaughter people KEEP bringing up Euthanaisa AS AN OPTION and then Criticizing people who consider it? A serious double standard if I ever saw one.

Won't RESPONSIBLE people Doing the RESPONSIBLE thing and putting horses down actually HELP Reduce the populations of unwanted horses? And don't tell me there isn't unwanted horses because if there weren't unwanted horses, we wouldn't have 100,000 horses headed to slaughter in the first place. Don't tell me again it's all the breeders Fault when People get trashed for wanting to put down a healthy horse just because they can't care for it and won't sell it to slaughter. MAKE UP your MIND people!!! Seriously QUIT bringing up the option of euthanaisa until you can support ANYONE euthanizing a horse for ANY reason at ANY time.


Additionally if Euthanaisa is NO better then keeping slaughter as an option then WHY are anti-slaughter people promoting it?????

So Every one who has a problem with a perfectly healthy horse being euthanized instead of bing sold to slaughter or left to starve because the owner can't care for it any more, Go a head and post your name and full address and be willing to accept in those "unwanted" horses from some one else.

So what you're saying is........the horse you had that took you so long to sell......Had I of wanted that horse, and was willing to pay you for it, and you knew that I would give that animal a good life and home......rather than let me buy it from you, you think it would of been more responsible of you to euthanize it? WHERE is the sense in that?


I'm saying that if you have a horse that you need to get rid of quickly, and there are no takers for it, that you feel will treat that animal well, then yes.....putting it down is understandable. But, if you have people trying to get that horse and will be good owners, then NO.....it's not ok to put it down, just because you can.

If an animal has the opportunity to continue to live a healthy and happy life, then I think it should be allowed to.

[Top Dun]

What I'm saying is that THERE WERE NO TAKERS for the better part of a year and If I had needed to get rid of him quicker I WOULD have had three choices
1. Starve him until he's sold or dies
2. haul him to the auction and give him a 50% or so chance of going to slaughter
3. Put him down.
At the moment I'd have chosen 3 over the others because I'd not wish Mexico's slaughter houses on any horse and since I'm in a state on the Mexico border, he'd deffiantely been headed there.

There ARE NOT HOMES for all of the horses out there right now but all you guys do is complain about people considering euthanizing instead. Some people don't have the ability to keep a horse that extra YEAR in order to find it a home. And if any one should keep complaining about others euthanizing horses then they'd better be prepared to post name and address and be willing to pay the shipment to send the horse to you.

There should be NO Qualifiers on putting a horse down at all. A person should not be "pressured" to find a new home for a horse. They should not be harassed because they didn't try and find a new home for a horse. Because some one might want your horse, but they live all the way across the country and can't afford to pay the shipping. Additionally the owner doesn't have a way to evaluate potential buyers on the internet.

Again you never answered the questions

Additionally if Euthanaisa is NO better then keeping slaughter as an option then WHY are anti-slaughter people promoting it?
WHY do Anti-slaughter people keep saying " if you don't want a horse then you have the option to euthanize" and then you put Qualifiers like ONLY if no one else wants it. Exactly how long do you expect people to wait to find a new home for the horse? How long do you expect some one to continue to keep a horse they can't afford to try and find a home? What if a person just lost a job AND has to move to a new town to find a new job, they have just enough to have the horse put down but not enough to feed the horse for a month and then put it down. Why then would they to be harassed because they chose to put down right now instead of trying to find a home for the horse?
YOur "qualifiers" make it difficult for people who have very little choice.

Originally Posted by stormyheart6160

So what you're saying is........the horse you had that took you so long to sell......Had I of wanted that horse, and was willing to pay you for it, and you knew that I would give that animal a good life and home......rather than let me buy it from you, you think it would of been more responsible of you to euthanize it? WHERE is the sense in that?


I'm saying that if you have a horse that you need to get rid of quickly, and there are no takers for it, that you feel will treat that animal well, then yes.....putting it down is understandable. But, if you have people trying to get that horse and will be good owners, then NO.....it's not ok to put it down, just because you can.

If an animal has the opportunity to continue to live a healthy and happy life, then I think it should be allowed to.

[Stormyheart6160]

Originally Posted by Top Dun

What I'm saying is that THERE WERE NO TAKERS for the better part of a year and If I had needed to get rid of him quicker I WOULD have had three choices
1. Starve him until he's sold or dies
2. haul him to the auction and give him a 50% or so chance of going to slaughter
3. Put him down.
At the moment I'd have chosen 3 over the others because I'd not wish Mexico's slaughter houses on any horse and since I'm in a state on the Mexico border, he'd deffiantely been headed there.

There ARE NOT HOMES for all of the horses out there right now but all you guys do is complain about people considering euthanizing instead. Some people don't have the ability to keep a horse that extra YEAR in order to find it a home. And if any one should keep complaining about others euthanizing horses then they'd better be prepared to post name and address and be willing to pay the shipment to send the horse to you.

There should be NO Qualifiers on putting a horse down at all. A person should not be "pressured" to find a new home for a horse. They should not be harassed because they didn't try and find a new home for a horse. Because some one might want your horse, but they live all the way across the country and can't afford to pay the shipping. Additionally the owner doesn't have a way to evaluate potential buyers on the internet.

Again you never answered the questions

Additionally if Euthanaisa is NO better then keeping slaughter as an option then WHY are anti-slaughter people promoting it?
WHY do Anti-slaughter people keep saying " if you don't want a horse then you have the option to euthanize" and then you put Qualifiers like ONLY if no one else wants it. Exactly how long do you expect people to wait to find a new home for the horse? How long do you expect some one to continue to keep a horse they can't afford to try and find a home? What if a person just lost a job AND has to move to a new town to find a new job, they have just enough to have the horse put down but not enough to feed the horse for a month and then put it down. Why then would they to be harassed because they chose to put down right now instead of trying to find a home for the horse?
YOur "qualifiers" make it difficult for people who have very little choice.

Again.....some cases warrant euthanizing. Not all! There's no sense in killing a healthy animal if someone wants it, and can take it, and give it a good home. If that can't happen, then yes, by all means, put it down! But, you can't take out the equation, what's in the best interests of that particular animal when making that decision.

Death, is NOT always the best decision.

[Top Dun]

What give YOU the right to tell some one else what the "responsible " thing do do with their animal is?
If owner A Euthanizes a perfectly healthy animal that some one else MIGHT want then what gives you the right to tell them they are WRONG?

WHY again does a horse have " a right" to live over a human or any other animal? That is the way you present your ideas and Image.
Here on this website they don't place any qualifier on euthanaisa they just give you a list of options.

http://www.unwantedhorsecoalition.org/?id=3

Sometimes keeping a horse is no longer an option, but other options do exist:

• Sell your horse
  • Second career
  • Pasture mate
• Lease your horse
  • Partial or full lease
• Donate your horse to a worthy organization
  • Therapeutic riding program
  • Police department
  • Equine college or university
  • Horse rescue group
  • Horse retirement facility
  • Veterinary clinic
• Have your horse humanely euthanized by a veterinarian

According to the American Association of Equine Practitioner’s National Fee and Market Study, the average fee for euthanasia by a veterinarian is $66. This fee does not include carcass disposal. Approved methods of carcass disposal include burial, rendering and incineration. Fees for these methods range from $75 to $250 for rendering up to $2000 for incineration.

You just don't want to see horses killed at all except in cases of extreme need. Seems to me that YOU want to elevate the status of the horse to the same status of the cow in India.

Originally Posted by stormyheart6160

Again.....some cases warrant euthanizing. Not all! There's no sense in killing a healthy animal if someone wants it, and can take it, and give it a good home. If that can't happen, then yes, by all means, put it down! But, you can't take out the equation, what's in the best interests of that particular animal when making that decision.

Death, is NOT always the best decision.

[Stormyheart6160]

Originally Posted by Top Dun

What give YOU the right to tell some one else what the "responsible " thing do do with their animal is?
If owner A Euthanizes a perfectly healthy animal that some one else MIGHT want then what gives you the right to tell them they are WRONG?

WHY again does a horse have " a right" to live over a human or any other animal? That is the way you present your ideas and Image.
Here on this website they don't place any qualifier on euthanaisa they just give you a list of options.

http://www.unwantedhorsecoalition.org/?id=3



You just don't want to see horses killed at all except in cases of extreme need. Seems to me that YOU want to elevate the status of the horse to the same status of the cow in India.

First off......what gives anyone the "right" to do wrong by ANY animal? Everyone keeps referring to "rights". What makes anyone think they have a "right" to just kill something that could live a long, healthy and happy life, in another geographical area, with a different owner? Where does anyone get off thinking they have that right? If that was the case, there would be an awful lot of animals being killed in homes, just because! But, there are laws pertaining to cruel and nonsense actions against animals, and killing them "just because", I believe falls into the category of needing "protected from".

Second.....WHERE did I say that a horse has the right to live over a human? Please QUOTE me?????!!!!!

Third.....I never said that horses should be worshipped in this country as cows are in India. Please QUOTE me where I said that??????

[Top Dun]

You Imply BOTH with every post.

Originally Posted by stormyheart6160

Second.....WHERE did I say that a horse has the right to live over a human? Please QUOTE me?????!!!!!

Third.....I never said that horses should be worshipped in this country as cows are in India. Please QUOTE me where I said that??????