[JazzyJockey]

Originally Posted by Bruce Wiley

Do you own this horse and for how long have you had it?

Retraining is needed, and it should be done by a trainer, one that has a vast amount of exeprience in correcting issue like this.
I hope this insight helps.

of course i own her, i have corrected this problem in a greenbroke horse before with the circling actually...i always used a snaffle on her . she ended up being one of the best horse i have ever had. i do circles with this mare,but she gets frusterated and again starts to do half-rears and snorting.she has never done a full buck yet on me,but i wouldn't put it past her. she isn't a dangerous horse...she just want to run,and run,and run,and run,and run! she would be PERFECT for endurance racing...too bad i want to do dressage,right

so no one else agrees with trying a twisted bit for a little while and seeing if it makes any difference???

[KristinJ]

She is probably foaming so much because of the copper in the bit. I would go to a plain snaffle or a french link. Teach her to give to pressure, so when you ask her to stop she WILL stop. Circles are good, and constantly doing differently things with different gaits. Cirlces, serpentines, stopping, backing, etc.

[JazzyJockey]

Originally Posted by KristinJ

She is probably foaming so much because of the copper in the bit. I would go to a plain snaffle or a french link. Teach her to give to pressure, so when you ask her to stop she WILL stop. Circles are good, and constantly doing differently things with different gaits. Cirlces, serpentines, stopping, backing, etc.

Thanks! i will just keep working with her i guess...!

[xlilxonex]

Originally Posted by barnprincess

Maybe try a twisted full cheek ? Ive only used one once, and it was on a very hard pulling horse.

Umm, worst advice... ever??

I would go back to basics, get her going well on the lunge line and then work your way up to under-saddle... Changing bits to something harsher will NOT help, your missing a very vital foundation that needs to be established.. Judging by what you said, that's probably a good sign she's missing a hefty chunk out of her foundation... It's tough and not fun at first but WILL pay off in the long end.

[red00jeep]

Originally Posted by JazzyJockey

so no one else agrees with trying a twisted bit for a little while and seeing if it makes any difference???

Yeah, uhm, no. Don't do that. You think she's rearing now, I'd bet it would increase 500% with a slow twist.

What does she do if you relax and loosen your hold on the reins?

[JazzyJockey]

Originally Posted by red00jeep

Yeah, uhm, no. Don't do that. You think she's rearing now, I'd bet it would increase 500% with a slow twist.

What does she do if you relax and loosen your hold on the reins?

she bolts.

[red00jeep]

Originally Posted by JazzyJockey

she bolts.

I suspect the rider could have a lot to do with her reactions. If you sincerely feel that you are relaxed and are riding her properly, and an objective 3rd party agrees, then it is obviously time to go back to basics. Do you know how to ground drive? Have access to a round pen? What are her ground manners like?

In my experience, sometimes constant circling does nothing more than get a mare like this worked up into a panicked, foamy frenzy. You can try it for a while, but if she's so neurotic that you're doing 25 circles for one length of the arena, it's just going to make her frustrated and upset, potentially causing an explosion of rearing and bucking. I'd like to see a video so we can get an idea of the issue, and how you're responding to it.

[JazzyJockey]

Originally Posted by red00jeep

I suspect the rider could have a lot to do with her reactions. If you sincerely feel that you are relaxed and are riding her properly, and an objective 3rd party agrees, then it is obviously time to go back to basics. Do you know how to ground drive? Have access to a round pen? What are her ground manners like?

In my experience, sometimes constant circling does nothing more than get a mare like this worked up into a panicked, foamy frenzy. You can try it for a while, but if she's so neurotic that you're doing 25 circles for one length of the arena, it's just going to make her frustrated and upset, potentially causing an explosion of rearing and bucking. I'd like to see a video so we can get an idea of the issue, and how you're responding to it.

i am a fine rider. she was doing this with her PRIOR owner which is why they got rid of her i am a very relaxed rider and use natural horsemanship (kill me now). i hate using the bit at all and usually ride my horses in halters. i think that was rather rude to be honest.
OF COURSE i know how to ground drive. her ground manners are impeccable. i have had enough "advice". thank-you so much

i was just trying to get tips before taking her to my trainer.

[red00jeep]

Originally Posted by JazzyJockey

i am a fine rider. she was doing this with her PRIOR owner which is why they got rid of her i am a very relaxed rider and use natural horsemanship (kill me now). i hate using the bit at all and usually ride my horses in halters. i think that was rather rude to be honest.
OF COURSE i know how to ground drive. her ground manners are impeccable. i have had enough "advice". thank-you so much

i was just trying to get tips before taking her to my trainer.

Even the best riders can be unaware of a slight lean forward, a slightly turned out toe resulting from pressure from the calf, a collapsed side resulting in uneven weight distribution through the seat bones. All of which can result in a worked up horse. No rider is great enough to be aware of all these issues, and it helps to have someone knowledgeable present to point out problems you could be unconscious of. Do you honestly think you are ridding her 100% effectively to solve the problem?

Just out of curiosity, do you regularly blame problems solely on the horse? As in, horse refuses a jump, it's the horses fault? The way I am reading it, that is effectively what you are saying here- that there is no possible way you contribute.

Jesus. You have been short/snooty to respectable people giving you their time and valuable opinions all throughout this thread. If you're such a great rider, ditch your instructor and solve it yourself .

[JazzyJockey]

Originally Posted by red00jeep

Even the best riders can be unaware of a slight lean forward, a slightly turned out toe resulting from pressure from the calf, a collapsed side resulting in uneven weight distribution through the seat bones. All of which can result in a worked up horse. No rider is great enough to be aware of all these issues, and it helps to have someone knowledgeable present to point out problems you could be unconscious of. Do you honestly think you are ridding her 100% effectively to solve the problem?

Just out of curiosity, do you regularly blame problems solely on the horse? As in, horse refuses a jump, it's the horses fault? The way I am reading it, that is effectively what you are saying here- that there is no possible way you contribute.

Jesus. You have been short/snooty to respectable people giving you their time and valuable opinions all throughout this thread. If you're such a great rider, ditch your instructor and solve it yourself .

wording things politey helps ya' know you are an awfully rude person. i never said i was a perfect rider...I SAID SHE HAD THIS PROBLEM BEFORE I GOT HER which is why they got rid of her. so YES...this problem IS the horses...she came with it. I am trying to help her and was asking a simple advice question. your jumping to conclusions when really don't know me or this horse...so i'll thank you to not leave any more "advice".


other than jeep i am sorry if i offended anyone. i wasn't trying to be disregarding of helpful advice. thanks to the rest of you for trying to help out in a civilized manner.

i do believe this thread is over