For those who think Obama's a Christian...

redhorseridge · 11-05-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by all4him

Why does this matter? Because, as a Christian, if someone states that they are a Christian, I would expect that they would have the same basic core beliefs I have and he does not. .

So you are saying any Christian that does not believe exactly as you do is not Christian? I'm sorry, but I have a bit of a problem with this. If all Christians were right and agreed on 'core beliefs", there wouldn't be 947 (number drawn from the air to indicate my exasperation with so many) different "Christian" religions...

I don't want this to turn into "what are the true and correct Christian core beliefs", but to say someone is not a Christian because they do not believe the same way you do or because they are against one or more of your beliefs, is well, almost unChristian IMO.

MelissaH · 11-05-2009, 03:20 PM

The big G is sitting up there right now just laughing at all the BS that is spouted in his name!

jiblethead · 11-05-2009, 03:25 PM

I'm not a fan of Obama...at all, but I don't think the president should HAVE to be a Christian. I quote the Koran all the time, and I'm not Muslim. For instance:

The horse is God's gift to mankind. And Allah took a handful of southerly wind, blew His breath over it, and created the horse.... Thou shall fly without wings, and conquer without any sword. Oh, horse. The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears.

prairienights · 11-05-2009, 04:02 PM

I'm not Christian (not religious at all), and ideally I believe whoever is most qualified should lead. I am not a bigot, I do not care what a person believes in as long as they are a good person. In the case of the president, I do not care what they believe in as long as they do right by our country.

However. I CAN understand the concern about Islam in this situation. It's not something that I spend a lot of brain energy worrying or thinking about, but I can understand the concern. It would be ignorant to shrug your shoulders and shake your head and say "why would you care if he's a Muslim or not?" In an IDEAL world, it should absolutely most certainly should not matter. But fact is, we have been at war with Islamic nations for nearly a decade. Whether you agree with the motives of the war or not, it's just fact.

Don't you think that people in World War II era would think twice about electing somebody from Germany?

Yes, it's sad and likely ridiculous that people worry themselves over what somebody's race/beliefs are, and I do not condone bigotry, however, in this situation I can understand why it concerns some people.

all4him · 11-05-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by redhorseridge

So you are saying any Christian that does not believe exactly as you do is not Christian? I'm sorry, but I have a bit of a problem with this. If all Christians were right and agreed on 'core beliefs", there wouldn't be 947 (number drawn from the air to indicate my exasperation with so many) different "Christian" religions...

I don't want this to turn into "what are the true and correct Christian core beliefs", but to say someone is not a Christian because they do not believe the same way you do or because they are against one or more of your beliefs, is well, almost unChristian IMO.

Well, a CHRISTIAN is one who believes that Jesus Christ is God. That's kind of a primary belief, don't you think? If one does not believe that Jesus Christ is God, then they are not a Christian. The might be Jehovah's Witnesses or some other belief but they are not considered "Christian" by orthodox standards. President Obama does not believe that that Jesus is God according to an interview that he had with the Chicago Sun. He says he was a great teacher but He was considerably more than that.

prairienights · 11-05-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by all4him

Well, a CHRISTIAN is one who believes that Jesus Christ is God. That's kind of a primary belief, don't you think? If one does not believe that Jesus Christ is God, then they are not a Christian. The might be Jehovah's Witnesses or some other belief but they are not considered "Christian" by orthodox standards. President Obama does not believe that that Jesus is God according to an interview that he had with the Chicago Sun. He says he was a great teacher but He was considerably more than that.

Jehovah's Witnesses believe in the entire Bible and that Jesus Christ is the son of God last time I checked...

jiblethead · 11-05-2009, 04:13 PM

I'm not religious (and no I'm not an Atheist), but not all Muslims are bad...just the extremists. People need to understand that before they get all hot headed and start quoting the bible.

BlingRacer · 11-05-2009, 04:18 PM

I have a good friend who has been a JW for over 30 yrs. They most certainly believe Jesus is god and in the bible. What they don't believe in stuff that is not in the bible...for example dressing up pagan holidays with Christian fittings(ie Christmas and Easter.)

prairienights · 11-05-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jiblethead

Same ^, but not all Muslims are bad...just the extremists. People need to understand that before they get all hot headed and start quoting the bible.

If you're replying to me, then I absolutely agree. I have several friends who are Muslims and they're just normal good honest hard working people. Besides being interested in their culture, I could care less that they have a minority belief. And that's how the vast majority of Muslims are.

My point was, in an ideal world there would be no bigotry or discrimination in any way. The entire American population would accept any qualified leader with open arms despite his or her color/belief/sexual orientation/anything else. Of course, that's the ideal. But we must accept that we do not live in an ideal world. Facts are, we are at war with an Islamic country. Of COURSE people are going to start asking questions if the leader of our nation is Islamic (I'm not saying he is or not, I honestly care so little what his religion is that I don't even know what he is).

In short...we should not care, but it's obvious why people do. To ignore these basic facts of why people are concerned would be blatant idealistic ignorance.

jiblethead · 11-05-2009, 04:29 PM

Sorry didn't mean to put the "Same ^" But yes, I do agree with you.

11-05-2009, 03:20 PM	#32
MelissaH Senior Member+ Join Date: May 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,694 Images: 184 Blog Entries: 4	The big G is sitting up there right now just laughing at all the BS that is spouted in his name! __________________ Horses are not my whole life, But they make my life whole. My dog looks at all the things I provide for him & says, "You must be God. My cat looks at all the things I provide for her and says, ˜I must be God

11-05-2009, 03:25 PM	#33
jiblethead Full Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Rising Sun Indiana Posts: 101 Images: 16 Blog Entries: 5	I'm not a fan of Obama...at all, but I don't think the president should HAVE to be a Christian. I quote the Koran all the time, and I'm not Muslim. For instance: The horse is God's gift to mankind. And Allah took a handful of southerly wind, blew His breath over it, and created the horse.... Thou shall fly without wings, and conquer without any sword. Oh, horse. The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears. __________________ Havana and Shelly, partners in crime. Mostly against me.

11-05-2009, 04:02 PM	#34
prairienights Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 3,540 Images: 507 Blog Entries: 1	I'm not Christian (not religious at all), and ideally I believe whoever is most qualified should lead. I am not a bigot, I do not care what a person believes in as long as they are a good person. In the case of the president, I do not care what they believe in as long as they do right by our country. However. I CAN understand the concern about Islam in this situation. It's not something that I spend a lot of brain energy worrying or thinking about, but I can understand the concern. It would be ignorant to shrug your shoulders and shake your head and say "why would you care if he's a Muslim or not?" In an IDEAL world, it should absolutely most certainly should not matter. But fact is, we have been at war with Islamic nations for nearly a decade. Whether you agree with the motives of the war or not, it's just fact. Don't you think that people in World War II era would think twice about electing somebody from Germany? Yes, it's sad and likely ridiculous that people worry themselves over what somebody's race/beliefs are, and I do not condone bigotry, however, in this situation I can understand why it concerns some people. __________________ ___() () _ ~/( o o) _~/ _ __\\ _~/ __ _ (,,)

11-05-2009, 04:13 PM	#37
jiblethead Full Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Rising Sun Indiana Posts: 101 Images: 16 Blog Entries: 5	I'm not religious (and no I'm not an Atheist), but not all Muslims are bad...just the extremists. People need to understand that before they get all hot headed and start quoting the bible. __________________ Havana and Shelly, partners in crime. Mostly against me. Last edited by jiblethead; 11-05-2009 at 04:14 PM. Reason: Didn't mean to put the ^

11-05-2009, 04:18 PM	#38
BlingRacer Senior Member+ Join Date: May 2007 Location: TX Posts: 1,376 Images: 267	I have a good friend who has been a JW for over 30 yrs. They most certainly believe Jesus is god and in the bible. What they don't believe in stuff that is not in the bible...for example dressing up pagan holidays with Christian fittings(ie Christmas and Easter.) __________________

11-05-2009, 04:29 PM	#40
jiblethead Full Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Rising Sun Indiana Posts: 101 Images: 16 Blog Entries: 5	Sorry didn't mean to put the "Same ^" But yes, I do agree with you. __________________ Havana and Shelly, partners in crime. Mostly against me.

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