Flying lead change bronco!

imjustjoking22 · 11-04-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JBandRio

Horses need a certain amount of strength, balance, and agility to be able to do FLCs, as well as a rider who absolutely doesn't unbalance the young horse. If a youngster is having troubles, I'd stop doing them for now. Look for the REAL reason and work on that. The real trouble isn't the FLC. The real trouble is something else - it's putting her off balance, she was never really balanced to begin with, something.

Exactly. After about 2 years under saddle my 5 y/o is just starting to have the strength and balance to do flying changes.

With a 2 OR 3 year old, you should be working them lightly, and doing conditioning things like riding up and down hills, lots of transitions, and lots of bending and softening.

Cami1230 · 11-04-2008, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JBandRio

Horses need a certain amount of strength, balance, and agility to be able to do FLCs, as well as a rider who absolutely doesn't unbalance the young horse. If a youngster is having troubles, I'd stop doing them for now. Look for the REAL reason and work on that. The real trouble isn't the FLC. The real trouble is something else - it's putting her off balance, she was never really balanced to begin with, something.

You're right. I'm going to let it go for a while and we'll take a few steps back to see where we need some work. Thankyou.

Dixiefordgurl · 11-04-2008, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cami1230

Seems like I worded it wrong. I didn't mean it as in general riding a 2 yr old. We're not taking the fast way to get to the final destination. I don't see trying to teach a horse flying lead changes to be a problem IMO.

I think that by posting here you should be happy that people are trying to help you with your problem. You asked the question and then tell people that YOU feel that there opinion is "wrong". There is nothing wrong with teaching a horse a flying lead change, but several people feel that your horse might not be ready to learn it and so your horse is trying to tell you by bucking. Whether it is for one reason or another, it seems that your horse might not be ready. When you ask for help you should be happy that there are people here to help you, and when you turn down there advice on something like this who says that they will be there when you really need them?

Dixiefordgurl · 11-04-2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cami1230

You're right. I'm going to let it go for a while and we'll take a few steps back to see where we need some work. Thankyou.

Yey(I posted the last one before seeing this)

Cami1230 · 11-04-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dixiefordgurl

I think that by posting here you should be happy that people are trying to help you with your problem. You asked the question and then tell people that YOU feel that there opinion is "wrong". There is nothing wrong with teaching a horse a flying lead change, but several people feel that your horse might not be ready to learn it and so your horse is trying to tell you by bucking. Whether it is for one reason or another, it seems that your horse might not be ready. When you ask for help you should be happy that there are people here to help you, and when you turn down there advice on something like this who says that they will be there when you really need them?

I never said anyone was wrong. Only that I disagreed, no need for you to stir the pot for it seems like you are.

Dixiefordgurl · 11-04-2008, 07:43 PM

Nope no pot stirring

JBandRio · 11-04-2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cami1230

You're right. I'm going to let it go for a while and we'll take a few steps back to see where we need some work. Thankyou.

Bravo

It takes a true horseperson, regardless of talent, to recognize it's time to take a step or three back and figure out what's missing

It may be her lateral work. Or a lack of implusion. Maybe her shoulders aren't quite straight. Or haunches. Who knows

Dixiefordgurl · 11-04-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JBandRio

Bravo

It takes a true horseperson, regardless of talent, to recognize it's time to take a step or three back and figure out what's missing

It may be her lateral work. Or a lack of implusion. Maybe her shoulders aren't quite straight. Or haunches. Who knows

Totally agreed!

John · 11-05-2008, 04:17 AM

I don't see any problem with doing flying changes at this point. Horses do them without being taught at least in one direction. They just have be collected and learn to balance the rider. If you are doing something wrong in this department have someone watch and fix it. I would leave out simple changes as they are harder than a flying change and not a normal move for a horse.

Idrivetrotter · 11-05-2008, 12:45 PM

I would turn her out for 30 days and let her mellow and relax maybe let some minor ache/pain get healed up.

I do that with all my 2yos (I train for racing) and we put 90 days under harness (standardbreds) and then they get 30 days off, this brings them back as a true 2yo actually as we start training them after Oct sales.

We find they come back much more relaxed and willing to do more demanding work.

My riding horses are a different issue, I don't start working them until they are the summer of their 2 yo year, I do about 6 months of ground work and ground driving, turn them out for 30 days and bring them back to doing some light riding. I do 90 days then 30 days off, this works our well for me.

As for FLC and SLC I do simple first and don't get my FLC until 4-5 yos (unless they are an OTTB then they already can do FLC)

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11-05-2008, 04:17 AM	#19
John Senior Member+ Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 3,747 Images: 60	I don't see any problem with doing flying changes at this point. Horses do them without being taught at least in one direction. They just have be collected and learn to balance the rider. If you are doing something wrong in this department have someone watch and fix it. I would leave out simple changes as they are harder than a flying change and not a normal move for a horse.

11-05-2008, 12:45 PM	#20
Idrivetrotter Senior Member+ Join Date: May 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 841	I would turn her out for 30 days and let her mellow and relax maybe let some minor ache/pain get healed up. I do that with all my 2yos (I train for racing) and we put 90 days under harness (standardbreds) and then they get 30 days off, this brings them back as a true 2yo actually as we start training them after Oct sales. We find they come back much more relaxed and willing to do more demanding work. My riding horses are a different issue, I don't start working them until they are the summer of their 2 yo year, I do about 6 months of ground work and ground driving, turn them out for 30 days and bring them back to doing some light riding. I do 90 days then 30 days off, this works our well for me. As for FLC and SLC I do simple first and don't get my FLC until 4-5 yos (unless they are an OTTB then they already can do FLC)