Flipping- your opinion?

Serendipity Zip · 12-11-2006, 09:19 AM

I recently found out that flipping a horse over, one who has a rearing problem, is quite common! I've heard countless stories of the terrors of it. People say they do it somewhere with alot of sand so the horse can't injure themselves. Then other people say they've seen a horse come down in a super soft arena and still snap its neck.

I also hear stories of how it cured horses...

It seems to be like a HUGE gamble. Are there not many other ways to stop a rearer instead of risking the horse breaking its neck?

Opinions!

Arco · 12-11-2006, 09:28 AM

It's an old school 'cure' with the country boys round here too. They wait 'til they go up and then they pull them over backwards - they do this right at the beginning when they are teaching them to lead

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These same people swear that to 'cure' a horse of bucking you should tie a back foot to the girth with a lump of rope, right up tight so the hoof is actually touching the girth, and ride them round on 3 legs!

These are methods that many 'old country folk' swear by and have been practising for many years, but there is no way on earth that I would EVER do them.

tucklove · 12-11-2006, 09:30 AM

I think if a horse is so dangerous that a person is seriously considering flipping it, you may as well make it a pasture pet or have it put down. I've see a horse get flipped, it was uninjured, but I know horses have died from the practice. It's not sure-fire cure, it's dangerous, and even after you do it and your horse is an angel, it will only take ONE relapse back to that naughty behavior to get someone killed.

cowgirlkayt · 12-11-2006, 09:31 AM

We do this with training horse but we make sure they have a safe place to land and its not hard ground and if they rear up and we can pull the over backwards, you betcha we do, 9 times out of 10 that horse wont rear again!

cowgurly02 · 12-11-2006, 09:36 AM

It sounds far too risky to me, and it certainly doesn't get to the root of the problem of WHY the horse is rearing.

I live in the backwoods "country" and I've never even heard of it before.

cowgirlkayt · 12-11-2006, 09:37 AM

we only do this though with horses that are just being started or yearlings being taught to lead and decide to rear instead of giving to the pressure!

arabkid · 12-11-2006, 09:40 AM

I would never do this unless is was a last resort for the horse. I don't believe flipping a horse is safe at all.

Jenje! · 12-11-2006, 09:44 AM

I'll be completely honest with you, regardless of the risk of being flamed: I think flipping a rearing horse over to "teach" them something is the stupidest thing I've EVER heard of or seen done. Hands down.

The horse can land wrong and break their neck. And die. The horse can land wrong and facture their skull. And die. The horse can land on YOU. Possibly kill you, panic, and die.

BirdieGirl · 12-11-2006, 09:45 AM

I'd MUCH rather figure things out the hard way and fix them...It's really sad to hear of people who do things like this because it just means that their horse is only listening to them out of force and fear, not because of love and respect...

Any horse that is trained this way might decide to go back to that bad habit, whereas most horses who are trained slowly and gently are going to stay that way because they KNOW that their rider isn't going to hurt them on purpose. One word: TRUST!
My sister's old arab was trained by the Amish, and they basically scared her so badly for so long that she just lost her spirit and gave up fighting. She was the best horse in the world, but you could tell that she'd lost all her personality and didn't have an easy time trusting people. The Amish have a "no messing around" policy, and the guy who broke that arab apparently told my dad that if she ever had a problem with rearing then you should fill a beer bottle with very warm-hot water and break it over their head when they rear!

I guess the impact and the feel of warm water on their head is supposed to simulate blood and it'll keep them from doing it again because they think they've been injured...Can we say "INSANE"?????

jackiesbabyjet · 12-11-2006, 09:48 AM

I was taught when riding and training a rearing horse with problems. Is to when you ride carry a long stick and when that horse rears you hit it between the ears has hard as you can to stop them from rearing.
I would only flip a yearling or younger. I know there is such thing as throwing a horse down and that fixes alot of problems.

12-11-2006, 09:19 AM	#1
Serendipity Zip Senior Member+ Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: California Posts: 3,526 Images: 11 Blog Entries: 11	Flipping- your opinion? I recently found out that flipping a horse over, one who has a rearing problem, is quite common! I've heard countless stories of the terrors of it. People say they do it somewhere with alot of sand so the horse can't injure themselves. Then other people say they've seen a horse come down in a super soft arena and still snap its neck. I also hear stories of how it cured horses... It seems to be like a HUGE gamble. Are there not many other ways to stop a rearer instead of risking the horse breaking its neck? Opinions!

12-11-2006, 09:30 AM	#3
tucklove Senior Member+ Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 1,312 Images: 165 Blog Entries: 177	I think if a horse is so dangerous that a person is seriously considering flipping it, you may as well make it a pasture pet or have it put down. I've see a horse get flipped, it was uninjured, but I know horses have died from the practice. It's not sure-fire cure, it's dangerous, and even after you do it and your horse is an angel, it will only take ONE relapse back to that naughty behavior to get someone killed. __________________ There's one bit that works on every horse; a bit of knowledge. Driftin Page 1982 AQHM Royally Smarter 1992 AQHG Savvy Shootin Tucker 2002 AQHG DirtySongNDance 2007 AQHM Simon 2007 cowdog RIP Peso Love you Weazer

12-11-2006, 09:36 AM	#5
cowgurly02 Senior Member+ Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 9,711 Images: 237 Blog Entries: 381	It sounds far too risky to me, and it certainly doesn't get to the root of the problem of WHY the horse is rearing. I live in the backwoods "country" and I've never even heard of it before. __________________ "I'm pretty sure there's a lot more to life than being really, really, ridiculously good looking. And I plan on finding out what that is." - Zoolander

12-11-2006, 09:40 AM	#7
arabkid Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 4,633 Images: 271 Blog Entries: 17	I would never do this unless is was a last resort for the horse. I don't believe flipping a horse is safe at all. __________________ "CON-FUCIUS SAY......YOU GO TO JAIL, BAD BOY" -Russell Peters LOL www.wunderbararabians.com

12-11-2006, 09:44 AM	#8
Jenje! Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,767 Images: 910 Blog Entries: 27	I'll be completely honest with you, regardless of the risk of being flamed: I think flipping a rearing horse over to "teach" them something is the stupidest thing I've EVER heard of or seen done. Hands down. The horse can land wrong and break their neck. And die. The horse can land wrong and facture their skull. And die. The horse can land on YOU. Possibly kill you, panic, and die. __________________ ♥ Jen Zombies, Monsters &Ooze (a blog) That love is all there is, is all we know of love. - E. Dickinson *** VA Allure * BBA First Page * Instead Of Flowers ***

12-11-2006, 09:28 AM	#2
Arco Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 1,594 Images: 21	It's an old school 'cure' with the country boys round here too. They wait 'til they go up and then they pull them over backwards - they do this right at the beginning when they are teaching them to lead . These same people swear that to 'cure' a horse of bucking you should tie a back foot to the girth with a lump of rope, right up tight so the hoof is actually touching the girth, and ride them round on 3 legs! These are methods that many 'old country folk' swear by and have been practising for many years, but there is no way on earth that I would EVER do them.

12-11-2006, 09:31 AM	#4
cowgirlkayt Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: saskatoon saskatchewan Posts: 862 Images: 146	We do this with training horse but we make sure they have a safe place to land and its not hard ground and if they rear up and we can pull the over backwards, you betcha we do, 9 times out of 10 that horse wont rear again!

12-11-2006, 09:37 AM	#6
cowgirlkayt Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: saskatoon saskatchewan Posts: 862 Images: 146	we only do this though with horses that are just being started or yearlings being taught to lead and decide to rear instead of giving to the pressure!

12-11-2006, 09:45 AM	#9
BirdieGirl Senior Member+ Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Redneck Central, Wisonsin Posts: 1,360 Images: 158	I'd MUCH rather figure things out the hard way and fix them...It's really sad to hear of people who do things like this because it just means that their horse is only listening to them out of force and fear, not because of love and respect... Any horse that is trained this way might decide to go back to that bad habit, whereas most horses who are trained slowly and gently are going to stay that way because they KNOW that their rider isn't going to hurt them on purpose. One word: TRUST! My sister's old arab was trained by the Amish, and they basically scared her so badly for so long that she just lost her spirit and gave up fighting. She was the best horse in the world, but you could tell that she'd lost all her personality and didn't have an easy time trusting people. The Amish have a "no messing around" policy, and the guy who broke that arab apparently told my dad that if she ever had a problem with rearing then you should fill a beer bottle with very warm-hot water and break it over their head when they rear! I guess the impact and the feel of warm water on their head is supposed to simulate blood and it'll keep them from doing it again because they think they've been injured...Can we say "INSANE"????? __________________ Jetta and Tucson: Golden Retriever and 2005 APHA Gelding Not many people are lucky enough to find their soul mate. I was lucky enough to find two of them.

12-11-2006, 09:48 AM	#10
jackiesbabyjet Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 580 Images: 92	I was taught when riding and training a rearing horse with problems. Is to when you ride carry a long stick and when that horse rears you hit it between the ears has hard as you can to stop them from rearing. I would only flip a yearling or younger. I know there is such thing as throwing a horse down and that fixes alot of problems.

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