[Mutrok]

Ok...here is the problem. This mare (who I own) has now had three foals by non dun stallions that have shown dun characteristics. I wrote it off as counter shading because I didn't think the mare could possibly be dun and I don't see dun in her pedigree. Since she is such a dark bay (almost black most of the time) and has been kept in the barn most of her life I never did see any evidence of dun. This last fall and winter she was outside all the time and has fadded quite a bit. I had her out last night grooming her and shockingly I noticed a very prominent dorsal...wide and very clear now that she has fadded a bit. Now granted she is still pretty dark but it is definatley there.

Now, again I might have just written if off but her newest baby has a very strong dorsal stripe and shoulder baring. Plus, her foal from last year is the strangest color...everyone calls him a grulla and I keep telling them he can't be...might have to eat my words. He does have a dorsal that you can see for about 1 inch coming out of his blanket and into his tail...again I wrote it off as counter shading

So, find the dun in her pedigree....it is not obviously listed on allbreed. If it is in the appy lines it could easially be hidden in the app patterning. Maybe some of you know something about some of the horses in her pedigree that would help.

I will try to get some photos of here and her filly tomorrow...maybe her yearling as well.

If I pulled hairs and had them tested for the markers for dun what will that tell me?

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/prime+elegance

[Top Dun]

Where is the pedigree??

[Mutrok]

Your to quick TD...just went to find it. Link is in the OP now

[Top Dun]

Dun didn't come from the appaloosa lines because all you have is the prince Plaudit line and he was DEFINATELY a chestnut.
got a dun here though

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/miss+moorhouse+25 Then a string of chestnuts. Some red duns might be mis registered as chestnut or sorrel??

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/triangle+lady+61 Nother dun with chestnuts afterward. Still wondering of they were red dun and mis registered?

[Shannon]

Said mare and filly right?

I don't know Erin, it just doesn't seem possible. For dun to go unnoticed for so many generations, red duns misregistered as chestnut...I just can't see it. Not to say that it couldn't happen but unless there is some "diluted" version of dun going on here where it is very unnoticeable...

Now, if we were talking Eli's sire, then maybe It was Maids Dream that looks bay but comes from two chestnut parents right? Then that's where I'd believe there was something going on

[accphotography]

Interesting...

ACC

[the travlng rdr]

Originally Posted by accphotography

Interesting...

Really? You don't say.... mmm hmm....

[accphotography]

Originally Posted by the travlng rdr

Really? You don't say.... mmm hmm....

Awwww. Now if I didn't know you were a nice person under there I might think you didn't like me very much! LOL!

Actually the reason for the one word post was that I had posted a theory, only to realize just after hitting send that my theory wasn't even possible (I am waaaaaay too tired tonight/this morning). After that, "interesting" was all I could say. LOL!

ACC

[Haas Horse Farm]

I do not see dun there... a dorsal stripe and wither marks do not make dun. Many horses have that... In fact many of mine are born with louder primitive marking on non-dun than dun foals... Do you have dun marking photos of leg bars, etc? Also dun dorsals look different than non dun dorsals... do you have a dorsal shot on both the mare and offspring?

Sorry to me dorsal does not make dun... I have many many non dun horses with dorsals and wither marks... even a few with leg markings somewhat like bars... Many of these are associated with brown horses... I see brown in the pedigree. Does your mare also have pangre?

[Mutrok]

Originally Posted by Top Dun

Dun didn't come from the appaloosa lines because all you have is the prince Plaudit line and he was DEFINATELY a chestnut.
got a dun here though

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/miss+moorhouse+25 Then a string of chestnuts. Some red duns might be mis registered as chestnut or sorrel??

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/triangle+lady+61 Nother dun with chestnuts afterward. Still wondering of they were red dun and mis registered?

I know plaudit lines aren't know to carry dun but with app coloring some things just get lost because you can't see them through the app color.

Originally Posted by Shannon

I don't know Erin, it just doesn't seem possible. For dun to go unnoticed for so many generations, red duns misregistered as chestnut...I just can't see it. Not to say that it couldn't happen but unless there is some "diluted" version of dun going on here where it is very unnoticeable...

The only thing I can think of is somewhere on her bottom side there are lots of really dark bays...possible dun got lost there...

Now, if we were talking Eli's sire, then maybe It was Maids Dream that looks bay but comes from two chestnut parents right? Then that's where I'd believe there was something going on

Actually Maid Magic was listed as being by two chestnuts and he is definatley bay. However, he has never thrown a dun charistic foal out of a non dun mare.

Originally Posted by Haas Horse Farm

I do not see dun there... a dorsal stripe and wither marks do not make dun. Many horses have that... In fact many of mine are born with louder primitive marking on non-dun than dun foals... Do you have dun marking photos of leg bars, etc? Also dun dorsals look different than non dun dorsals... do you have a dorsal shot on both the mare and offspring?

Sorry to me dorsal does not make dun... I have many many non dun horses with dorsals and wither marks... even a few with leg markings somewhat like bars... Many of these are associated with brown horses... I see brown in the pedigree. Does your mare also have pangre?

I totally agree that dorsal and dun charastics does not mean dun...absolutely. However this mare has now had 3 foals all by different sires (none know to cary dun) and each baby has dun charistics that (with the exception of the newest baby becuase she is only a few weeks old) have stayed with them as they get older.

I will get some photos of all of them as soon as possible. Really I know this is crazy and I keep telling people that it is not possible but I am getting skeptical. I wish they would hurry up with a dun test that is accurate for the actual gene