[shawnee1020]

I'm looking for something for Buddy, The Cushings & Founder mini I took in. So far have tried Releve, he hates it. Now I'm trying a feed call All Phase Balancer by Pennfield, but so far he hates it to. Does anyone know anything about Seminole feeds. I found this www.Seminolefeed.com Then to the right side there is a link for wellness feeds. I could not get that link to transfer. Sorry if you tried and it didn't work.
I need to find something he actually will eat.
Any advise is deeply appreciated.

[shawnee1020]

Sorry the first site was not working properly. Reposted the correct site then the wellness feed is in a link to the right.

[paintedquarters]

This is like type II diabetes in humans.
These horses do best on a low glycemic diet ( one low in simple carbs)
but supplement with magnesium.
Cutting carbs to only simple carbs is best with high fiber high on the list like hay, beet pulp, soy hulls or what ever is available in your area that is low in simple carbs.
About 20g a day when improving are noticed drop down to 10 a day, unless the neck starts to build fat again.

Quiessence I've heard is good. If that is unavailable try using magnesium oxide as a substitute.
It usually takes about 6 weeks to start to see results.
http://www.foxdenequine.com/quies.htm

Oh also adding Linpro to the diet.
http://www.foxdenequine.com/linpro.htm
If you cannot get that than a flaxseed based feed and chelated minerals plus a adequate supply of essential amino acids like methionine, lysine, threonine and tyrosine to the diet as well.
Good Luck...

[PeggySue]

about any feed with a REALLY LOW NSC would work IF you can get him to eat it

I can't get the web page to open for me it's my computer today LOL

[shawnee1020]

Originally Posted by paintedquarters

This is like type II diabetes in humans.
These horses do best on a low glycemic diet ( one low in simple carbs)
but supplement with magnesium.
Cutting carbs to only simple carbs is best with high fiber high on the list like hay, beet pulp, soy hulls or what ever is available in your area that is low in simple carbs.
About 20g a day when improving are noticed drop down to 10 a day, unless the neck starts to build fat again.

Quiessence I've heard is good. If that is unavailable try using magnesium oxide as a substitute.
It usually takes about 6 weeks to start to see results.
http://www.foxdenequine.com/quies.htm

Oh also adding Linpro to the diet.
http://www.foxdenequine.com/linpro.htm
If you cannot get that than a flaxseed based feed and chelated minerals plus a adequate supply of essential amino acids like methionine, lysine, threonine and tyrosine to the diet as well.
Good Luck...

I've been trying different things and he won't eat any of them. I've been trying the beet pulp for 3 days now and he just won't touch it. The vet said that peroglide does change there taste, But there has to be something I can find that he will like. Or something I could maybe mix in that taste good to him. Do you think I could mix something like yogart or sugar free syrup or something in to get him started?

[paintedquarters]

I hate to even say molasses because I think it is not good for them but if he will eat that then you can wean him off it gradually.
Rice bran oil, corn oil, veggie oil, just to get him to eat it at first. I am not sure about sugar free syrup. My filly use to be really picky too. Thank goodness she is not that way now for the most part.
If he likes apples, carrots, you could throw them in a food processor and whiz them up and throw them on the mix.
Alfalfa pellets might be good they can get wet also.

[Sue B]

Loss of appitite can be a symptom of Cushings/founder. However, it is strange that he won't eat the balancer pellets....I've not seen a horse yhet that didn't like them. There are several things that come to mind.....

How much hay and what kind is he getting?
What meds is he on....are they helping?
Does he seem depressed, lethargic or otherwise mentally "off'?
Are you introducing feeds slowly and are you giving him plenty of time to try them? Or are you giving him a ration and when he doesn't finish or eat it the first time or two....you give up or switch?
Have you tried cinnimon?
Are you feeding it just plain or are you adding supps to it? If you are adding supps....what are you adding? Perhaps it isn't the feed, but the supps/meds?
Are his teeth in good shape....is he otherwise in good health?
Are you feeding pain meds? Bute or other anti-inflammatory agents can result in ulcers, digestive upset and other chronic "not feeling well" issues that can result in a horse not wanting to eat his feed.

[shawnee1020]

Originally Posted by Sue B

Loss of appitite can be a symptom of Cushings/founder. However, it is strange that he won't eat the balancer pellets....I've not seen a horse yhet that didn't like them. There are several things that come to mind.....

How much hay and what kind is he getting?
What meds is he on....are they helping?
Does he seem depressed, lethargic or otherwise mentally "off'?
Are you introducing feeds slowly and are you giving him plenty of time to try them? Or are you giving him a ration and when he doesn't finish or eat it the first time or two....you give up or switch?
Have you tried cinnimon?
Are you feeding it just plain or are you adding supps to it? If you are adding supps....what are you adding? Perhaps it isn't the feed, but the supps/meds?
Are his teeth in good shape....is he otherwise in good health?
Are you feeding pain meds? Bute or other anti-inflammatory agents can result in ulcers, digestive upset and other chronic "not feeling well" issues that can result in a horse not wanting to eat his feed.

He gets Timothy hay all day since he does eat that. He is on peroglide for 3 months now and all Cushings signs have gone. He also is on Thyroid meds, and his last blood test's where all good. The peroglide I give orally, the thyroid med goes in his food. Also put STP in his feed.
The Releve I have been trying for 3 months now.(if I mix a little of my others horses feed in he will eat) but that feed is not good for him . I have been trying the balancer pellet now for about 3 days.
His teeth are not the best but when I got him he was in such bad shape the vet thought it would be to risky to do anything about them yet. Hopefully soon.

[ejforrest]

*"Hay should contain no more than 10% sugar and starch combined".
*"Horses that suffer from Cushings usually do quite well on hay-only diets, beet pulp is an excellent addition to the diet because it actually is more digestible than hay and has a calorie value that is roughly equivalent to plain oats(alot less starch)."
I feed a gallon of beet pulp and a gallon of alfalfa pellets to my Cushings horse. He is 29 this year and still being riden. He has never foundered on this diet.

[paintedquarters]

Maybe add some Jello to the feed would get him to eat it!