Fat lumps in foundered pony

pippy · 11-11-2009, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taihoa

I don't feed the recommended amount of Equine Balancer because it recommends feeding 2 kgs of it a day!! I only feed a cup of it so that I can mix his minerals into it, and less than a cup of soaked beet to hide the taste. I don't see how that minimal amount is effecting his weight?! I even buy the sugarbeet with less sugar.
The only other thing I can mix his feed into is chaff which he outright refused to eat.

2kg a day

- sorry - I feed it - and recommended for a horse at grass of 500kg is 600gm - so not sure where you get that one from. (NRM Brand)

Balancer:
Feed Recommendation:
400gms for foal, spelling horse, dry mare, pony
600gms for horse in light work
800gms for weanling, yearling, late pregnant mare, lactating mare, stallion, hard working horse, aged horse

I agree with the others cut the beet pulp, I had similar issue with one of my mini's who foundered before I brought her, and she could not loose weight (and similar situation - I used to pony her up the road everyday off my hack) and just stick with the equinebalancer, the toxin binder/mag mix - if he sifts the toxin binder out - wet the balancer and it will stick/get eaten. And even though he may be fussy now - just give him that and nothing else overnight with a small portion of hay - he will soon get hungary and eat it - I've found once they start eating of their own choice they then gradually start acting like starving pigs when you bring the once unappetising feed out.

Taihoa · 11-11-2009, 01:35 PM

I got that from talking to the NRM nutrition team. The bag is a guideline ONLY. When speaking with them and working out his actual fibre intake that is what THEY recommended

pippy · 11-11-2009, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taihoa

I got that from talking to the NRM nutrition team. The bag is a guideline ONLY. When speaking with them and working out his actual fibre intake that is what THEY recommended

Fair enough - funny they are basing it off the fibre intake, when that should be provided by the roughage and then the minerals/vits after that.... I've had them provide a feed analysis for me before and they were way off base for a fair few things and that was one that stood out. It should be based of the DE not fibre.

I'm by no means saying that they were wrong etc, but if there are fat lumps on your pony you are concerned about, and thats what you are feeding, it may be time to change it thats all.

Dawn · 11-11-2009, 04:01 PM

Something's gotten mixed in communication here. For that feedstuff, figuring the appropriate amount has nothing to do with his fiber intake. It should be solely looked at from a supplemental nutrition standpoint.

Taihoa · 11-11-2009, 04:34 PM

OK, let me make this simple for everyone to understand. TK has soaked hay and a CUP of equine balancer plus less than a cup of soaked beet (low sugar kind) to mix his minerals etc in with. NRM suggested feeding large amounts of Equine Balancer to him (2kg a day) which I'm not willing to do so he gets plenty of hay instead. Equine Balancer is a LOW CALORIE feed designed for good doers.
He is regularly checked by the vet and his feed IS NOT a concern at all. That small amount of feed is spead over 2 feeds each day and he is lunged/worked well over an hour each day.
All I want to know is if there is anything else I can give him that will help move the fat lumps? Don't say remove the sugar beet cos he has been on it well over a year now and has been loosing weight the whole time so its NOT an issue.

Moonshine Zeus · 11-11-2009, 04:39 PM

I have a 2 yo hanovarian who had laminitis last year, so like you I have to keep an eye on her. She is however turned out on grass 24/7. What i feed my girl is a mixture of meadow and oaten chaff with a tiny bit of lucerne and founderguard. Maybe if you tried him on some chaff.
Im intrested to know more about the Equine Balancer? Where can you buy it from? what does it include?
You may just always have a pony with fat lumps

Taihoa · 11-11-2009, 04:47 PM

I can't turn him out on grass at all cos the founder nearly killed him

I tried giving him chaff but he just refuses to eat it (its all the SPCA gave him when they got him off the old owners so I think he is just plain sick of it) It would be alot easier and cheaper if he would eat it though!!
Equine Balancer is an NRM product so you should be able to get it from any feed store - here is their website... http://www.nrm.co.nz/index.php/ps_pa...i_productid/13

I wanted to break TK in as I think he would make a stunning show pony but the fat lumps are a deal breaker

Moonshine Zeus · 11-11-2009, 04:54 PM

Oh, hes one of those ones! fair enough, im lucky with my girl that it was only under extreme circumstances that she got acute laminitis!
What about ice? Snickers is a very good doer and didnt put any weight when she was on it, its approved by the lamintis society to. Do you use the new kind of beet? i think its the speedi beet, its also approved by the laminitis society. Sorry i couldnt help more!! Hopefully they will dissapear over time!

Taihoa · 11-11-2009, 04:57 PM

Thats an idea! I didn't even look into ICE!!
Mind you, Tai costs a small fortune to feed ($800 a month!!) so I tend to go for the cheaper options when it comes to TK or I might be filing for bankruptsy LOL
Thanks for that - time for some googling!

Milly Molly · 11-11-2009, 08:02 PM

Or he could just be a little fattie like milly and have fat lumps! Although she has never foundered
All i can say is keep him with no grass just hay an a small amount of supplementary feeding. Its working with mill :P
Ill try find a pic of her lumps in my bag of tricks.

11-11-2009, 01:35 PM	#12
Taihoa Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NZ Posts: 414 Images: 10	I got that from talking to the NRM nutrition team. The bag is a guideline ONLY. When speaking with them and working out his actual fibre intake that is what THEY recommended __________________ SHOWJUMPERS go up and down - DRESSAGE RIDERS* go round and round - CARRIAGE DRIVERS do it sitting down and EVENTERS do it 3 days running*

11-11-2009, 04:01 PM	#14
Dawn Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tennessee Posts: 38,674 Images: 1582	Something's gotten mixed in communication here. For that feedstuff, figuring the appropriate amount has nothing to do with his fiber intake. It should be solely looked at from a supplemental nutrition standpoint. __________________ Starting Weight 170 lbs. Goal Weight 155 lbs. Reached! 20 pound club 2009 Starting Weight 152 lbs. Goal Weight 140 lbs. Reached!

11-11-2009, 04:34 PM	#15
Taihoa Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NZ Posts: 414 Images: 10	OK, let me make this simple for everyone to understand. TK has soaked hay and a CUP of equine balancer plus less than a cup of soaked beet (low sugar kind) to mix his minerals etc in with. NRM suggested feeding large amounts of Equine Balancer to him (2kg a day) which I'm not willing to do so he gets plenty of hay instead. Equine Balancer is a LOW CALORIE feed designed for good doers. He is regularly checked by the vet and his feed IS NOT a concern at all. That small amount of feed is spead over 2 feeds each day and he is lunged/worked well over an hour each day. All I want to know is if there is anything else I can give him that will help move the fat lumps? Don't say remove the sugar beet cos he has been on it well over a year now and has been loosing weight the whole time so its NOT an issue. __________________ SHOWJUMPERS go up and down - DRESSAGE RIDERS* go round and round - CARRIAGE DRIVERS do it sitting down and EVENTERS do it 3 days running*

11-11-2009, 04:39 PM	#16
Moonshine Zeus Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 3,319 Images: 78 Blog Entries: 2	I have a 2 yo hanovarian who had laminitis last year, so like you I have to keep an eye on her. She is however turned out on grass 24/7. What i feed my girl is a mixture of meadow and oaten chaff with a tiny bit of lucerne and founderguard. Maybe if you tried him on some chaff. Im intrested to know more about the Equine Balancer? Where can you buy it from? what does it include? You may just always have a pony with fat lumps __________________ RIP {Cat} R.I.P {Crunchie} Moonshine Zeus 1980-2008 I love you so much and will never stop loving you. R.I.P my beautiful boy! Craighaven Lynx 15yo crossbreed monster Snickers 1 yo hanovarian mistake

11-11-2009, 04:47 PM	#17
Taihoa Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NZ Posts: 414 Images: 10	I can't turn him out on grass at all cos the founder nearly killed him I tried giving him chaff but he just refuses to eat it (its all the SPCA gave him when they got him off the old owners so I think he is just plain sick of it) It would be alot easier and cheaper if he would eat it though!! Equine Balancer is an NRM product so you should be able to get it from any feed store - here is their website... http://www.nrm.co.nz/index.php/ps_pa...i_productid/13 I wanted to break TK in as I think he would make a stunning show pony but the fat lumps are a deal breaker __________________ SHOWJUMPERS go up and down - DRESSAGE RIDERS* go round and round - CARRIAGE DRIVERS do it sitting down and EVENTERS do it 3 days running*

11-11-2009, 04:54 PM	#18
Moonshine Zeus Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 3,319 Images: 78 Blog Entries: 2	Oh, hes one of those ones! fair enough, im lucky with my girl that it was only under extreme circumstances that she got acute laminitis! What about ice? Snickers is a very good doer and didnt put any weight when she was on it, its approved by the lamintis society to. Do you use the new kind of beet? i think its the speedi beet, its also approved by the laminitis society. Sorry i couldnt help more!! Hopefully they will dissapear over time! __________________ RIP {Cat} R.I.P {Crunchie} Moonshine Zeus 1980-2008 I love you so much and will never stop loving you. R.I.P my beautiful boy! Craighaven Lynx 15yo crossbreed monster Snickers 1 yo hanovarian mistake

11-11-2009, 04:57 PM	#19
Taihoa Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NZ Posts: 414 Images: 10	Thats an idea! I didn't even look into ICE!! Mind you, Tai costs a small fortune to feed ($800 a month!!) so I tend to go for the cheaper options when it comes to TK or I might be filing for bankruptsy LOL Thanks for that - time for some googling! __________________ SHOWJUMPERS go up and down - DRESSAGE RIDERS* go round and round - CARRIAGE DRIVERS do it sitting down and EVENTERS do it 3 days running*

11-11-2009, 08:02 PM	#20
Milly Molly Full Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Hawkes Bay Posts: 72 Images: 1	Or he could just be a little fattie like milly and have fat lumps! Although she has never foundered All i can say is keep him with no grass just hay an a small amount of supplementary feeding. Its working with mill :P Ill try find a pic of her lumps in my bag of tricks.

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