[bossmare77]

Hi everyone

Some of you might remember my other posting with Ella,the cremelloish, perlinoy blue eyed filly Well,Ive been keeping track of other foals her sire is throwing,and theyre all coming out either buckskin,'tan' and white or very faint 'palomino' and white.....but theyve ALL got dark to bright blue eyes. The foals sire who is considered Palomino and white does NOT have blue eyes.

He was from a black & white tobiano (non-homozygous) sire,and a chocolate brown & white tobiano dam(registered black so depends whos looking ). Neither of them had blue eyes.

Now are these blue eyes coming from a 'concoction(sp?)' of genes from the sire of these foals? or way back in his lineage..?

Probably a very simplistic answer,but I just cant seem to find the answer on my searches.

Any help would be a wonderful help in my brain file

[RiddleMeThis]

Originally Posted by bossmare77

Hi everyone

Some of you might remember my other posting with Ella,the cremelloish, perlinoy blue eyed filly Well,Ive been keeping track of other foals her sire is throwing,and theyre all coming out either buckskin,'tan' and white or very faint 'palomino' and white.....but theyve ALL got dark to bright blue eyes. The foals sire who is considered Palomino and white does NOT have blue eyes.

He was from a black & white tobiano (non-homozygous) sire,and a chocolate brown & white tobiano dam(registered black so depends whos looking ). Neither of them had blue eyes.

Now are these blue eyes coming from a 'concoction(sp?)' of genes from the sire of these foals? or way back in his lineage..?

Probably a very simplistic answer,but I just cant seem to find the answer on my searches.

Any help would be a wonderful help in my brain file

There are three (kinda four) ways that I know of off the top of my head to get blue eyes

1 is a double dilute- CRCR CrPRL
2 is frame overo
3 is splash

The kind of four is some single dilutes will be born with blue eyes, but are normally a dark blue that ends up fading into brown.

So if they are double dilutes that is the reason for there blue eyes, if they are not and are single dilutes and it is a dark blue cream is responsible, if they aren ot double dilute or its a light blue than the cause is frame or splash, and it sounds like splash in this case.

Does that make sense?

[Appylvr]

Horses with the cream gene will often have blue eyes... they change to brown before a year old. My gelding's did. Cremellos and Perlinos have blue eyes (bright blue)... the single dilutes will have a darker blue eye.

Here's my Palomino's eyes

Baby (hard to tell... I wish I had known they wouldn't stay that color or I would have gotten more pics of his eyes)


Adult (VERY light brown, almost gray. I say they're hazel)

[bossmare77]

Originally Posted by RiddleMeThis

There are three (kinda four) ways that I know of off the top of my head to get blue eyes

1 is a double dilute- CRCR CrPRL
2 is frame overo
3 is splash

The kind of four is some single dilutes will be born with blue eyes, but are normally a dark blue that ends up fading into brown.

So if they are double dilutes that is the reason for there blue eyes, if they are not and are single dilutes and it is a dark blue cream is responsible, if they aren ot double dilute or its a light blue than the cause is frame or splash, and it sounds like splash in this case.

Does that make sense?

Eeek! Id like to say yes,lol...but....so is it ALL in the foal?

And is frame and splash then something the sire wouldve given the babies,which in turn gave the blue eyes?

So then if that IS the case,and its the dad throwing the color,why wouldnt he have the blue eyes..? And will he always throw blue eyes?

Originally Posted by Appylvr

Horses with the cream gene will often have blue eyes... they change to brown before a year old. My gelding's did. Cremellos and Perlinos have blue eyes (bright blue)... the single dilutes will have a darker blue eye.

Here's my Palomino's eyes

Baby (hard to tell... I wish I had known they wouldn't stay that color or I would have gotten more pics of his eyes)


Adult (VERY light brown, almost gray. I say they're hazel)

My gal has bright bright blue eyes,with pink skin. I do plan on getting her tested however just havent done it yet.Ill try to upload a few recent pics in two secs

[Appylvr]

If your gal is a cremello or perlino then her eyes will stay that bright beautiful blue... I was so bummed when Teak's eyes started changing.

The sire's parents are registered as Tobianos... but they must have an overo gene too... that's where the blue eyes come in.

The stud I bred my mare to is a dark Dunskin overo (buckskin + dun). He throws a lot of babies with blue eyes, but he has 2 brown.

[bossmare77]

So the sire of Ella(above) is throwing all Fillies that look just like Ella with the exception of
1. One was a 'buckskin' & offwhite(medium blue eyes)
2.Other was white and cream(little darker than Ellas) with slightly darker blue eyes.

With that info,what do you think he is/has(lol )?

ETA I know the halter is way too big,I was just playing around so I could compare these to when shes a BIG girl

[Appylvr]

What a gorgeous little girl! I love the halter... it'll look beautiful on her when it fits.

I've got my money on Cremello for her... her mane and tail don't look reddish to me at all like on a Perlino. What color is her dam?

buckskin and white with medium blue eyes (sounds like a single dilute eyes)

white and cream with darker blue eyes is probably a light palomino with the eyes that will change to brown as well...

Do you have pics of the other foals? Is the white and cream similar in color to my colt and his 1/2 brother?
they're both light Palominos... a cremello like yours is a lot lighter

This is one I was talking about... my colt got the blue eyes that change to brown. This colt (overo) got the blue eyes that stay blue (he's splash/frame pattern). Another colt 1 year younger looks the same as the overo colt, only with one blue eye... the stud has 2 brown

[accphotography]

The foal is a double dilute. The buckskin with medium blue eyes will probably darken (the eyes). The one like Ella but darker is likely a palomino. The sire is likely a smokey black.

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[bossmare77]

Originally Posted by Appylvr

What a gorgeous little girl! I love the halter... it'll look beautiful on her when it fits.

I've got my money on Cremello for her... her mane and tail don't look reddish to me at all like on a Perlino. What color is her dam?

buckskin and white with medium blue eyes (sounds like a single dilute eyes)

white and cream with darker blue eyes is probably a light palomino with the eyes that will change to brown as well...

Do you have pics of the other foals? Is the white and cream similar in color to my colt and his 1/2 brother?
they're both light Palominos... a cremello like yours is a lot lighter

This is one I was talking about... my colt got the blue eyes that change to brown. This colt (overo) got the blue eyes that stay blue (he's splash/frame pattern). Another colt 1 year younger looks the same as the overo colt, only with one blue eye... the stud has 2 brown

Oh my gosh-what adorable little lovies!! Kiss them both for me!

The one other looked very similar to the singular colt(whos butt is absolutely asking to be squished standing so cute in that pic > : ). And thats the one that turned pally?

And sorry,this is an awfully dumb question,but can a sire always have blue eyed foals?

Ellas dam is registered black however during winter shes a smoky black,and now shedded out shes a chocolate/dark chestnut.

[accphotography]

Ella's dam is definitely a true smokey black then.

No the sire won't always throw blue eyes. Just when he throws a double dilute (must have a dilute dam) or when they have baby cream blues... but those will change to hazel or brown.

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