[bossmare77]

Originally Posted by accphotography

The foal is a double dilute. The buckskin with medium blue eyes will probably darken (the eyes). The one like Ella but darker is likely a palomino. The sire is likely a smokey black.

ACC

So the sire of the colts would more than likely be a double dilute?Please tell Im starting to grasp this

[bossmare77]

Originally Posted by accphotography

Ella's dam is definitely a true smokey black then.

No the sire won't always throw blue eyes. Just when he throws a double dilute (must have a dilute dam) or when they have baby cream blues... but those will change to hazel or brown.

ACC

OK,I think Im with you now. So the sire has the single dilute,as well as the cream gene. The eye color will be dependant on if the dam then is a single dilute as well correct..? So if they both have it,youll likely get the bright blue eyes that stay...?

Lol I swear Im not a brainfart-this is just really complicated stuff!

[Appylvr]

Originally Posted by bossmare77

Oh my gosh-what adorable little lovies!! Kiss them both for me!

The one other looked very similar to the singular colt(whos butt is absolutely asking to be squished standing so cute in that pic > : ). And thats the one that turned pally?

And sorry,this is an awfully dumb question,but can a sire always have blue eyed foals?

Ellas dam is registered black however during winter shes a smoky black,and now shedded out shes a chocolate/dark chestnut.

Which one's butt needs to be squished? The solid is mine and the overo was the stud owner's - but he sold him... they're both Palominos.

[Appylvr]

Originally Posted by bossmare77

OK,I think Im with you now. So the sire has the single dilute,as well as the cream gene. The eye color will be dependant on if the dam then is a single dilute as well correct..? So if they both have it,youll likely get the bright blue eyes that stay...?

Lol I swear Im not a brainfart-this is just really complicated stuff!

The single dilute just means that he has one cream gene. So he's a Palomino or Buckskin... a double dilute has 2 cream genes...

To be a double dilute (Cremello, Perlino, Smokey Black - am I having a brain toot... is there a smokey cream as well?) each parent needs to contribute a cream gene.

So your mare if she is black is a smokey black... and did I miss what color was the stud? I thought Palomino... so they both would have passed their cream genes to get your Cremello girl.

Now if only one had passed on a cream gene then your filly could have been a Palomino or Buckskin...

[bossmare77]

Originally Posted by Appylvr

The single dilute just means that he has one cream gene. So he's a Palomino or Buckskin... a double dilute has 2 cream genes...

To be a double dilute (Cremello, Perlino, Smokey Black - am I having a brain toot... is there a smokey cream as well?) each parent needs to contribute a cream gene.

So your mare if she is black is a smokey black... and did I miss what color was the stud? I thought Palomino... so they both would have passed their cream genes to get your Cremello girl.

Now if only one had passed on a cream gene then your filly could have been a Palomino or Buckskin...

WooHoo! Now it makes sense! I re-read everything and now its fitting into place. Thanks guys-huge help!

[Appylvr]

Originally Posted by bossmare77

WooHoo! Now it makes sense! I re-read everything and now its fitting into place. Thanks guys-huge help!

Your welcome! It took me awhile to figure it out too...

[accphotography]

The sire is a single dilute, and based on your description a smokey black (one cream on a black base). The dam would have to also be at LEAST a single dilute for the foal (like Ella) to be a double (cremello, perlino, or smokey cream). If the dam has no dilutes than approximately 50% of the time the sire will throw a single dilute to a non dilute mare (ie palomino, buckskin, smokey black).

ACC

[Appylvr]

Hey ACC... unless I'm reading her post wrong... I think the sire of Ella is a palomino with brown eyes... I think one of his parents must have been a smokey black...

Originally Posted by bossmare77

Hi everyone

Some of you might remember my other posting with Ella,the cremelloish, perlinoy blue eyed filly Well,Ive been keeping track of other foals her sire is throwing,and theyre all coming out either buckskin,'tan' and white or very faint 'palomino' and white.....but theyve ALL got dark to bright blue eyes. The foals sire who is considered Palomino and white does NOT have blue eyes.

He was from a black & white tobiano (non-homozygous) sire,and a chocolate brown & white tobiano dam(registered black so depends whos looking ). Neither of them had blue eyes.

Now are these blue eyes coming from a 'concoction(sp?)' of genes from the sire of these foals? or way back in his lineage..?

Probably a very simplistic answer,but I just cant seem to find the answer on my searches.

Any help would be a wonderful help in my brain file

[accphotography]

Oooooooooooh sorry. I just read that both parents were black (obviously at least one was a smokey black) and thought the sire was as well. My bad. LOL

ACC

[Haas Horse Farm]

Your offspring has blue eyes because of two cream genes that is all. The only way she would have offspring with blue eyes would be because the offspring is also double dilute... meaning two copies of the cream gene. If she was bred to a cream horse with a paint pattern such as frame or splash overo she could have offspring with eyes like the photo... two different kinds of blue.