Everybody PLEASE think first!

FrostedPaintsNApps · 03-27-2004, 01:53 PM

I am with you guys on this subject but I do my own horses for my own use. I've had local breeders compliment on how Nice Fezick looks, how straight his legs are, how straight his legs are, how nice his head is, muscling etc... Then they ask me who his dam and sire are. My reply, and I'm not ashamed of this, is "I don't know." Its the same way with Frosty, my farrier who is well known in the area for breeding western pleasure types, says that he has good shape for a "Mix blood"(paso Fino Quarter Horse). Frosty has yet for his muscle and fat to catch up with his growing upwards. As for horses being over populated, yes they are BUT so are humans. If we set rules for humans as we do for horses then who could ver have children? If a person had a defect then they couldn't have kids, or if they weren't a famous figure they couldn't. Another thing, could all on this forum name their family tree all the way to their great great grand parents and if they couldn't, no children for them. I myself wouldn't be able to have children because I have PCOS (Polycystic Ovarian Sydrome), I'm alergic to Nickel and (bare with me on this spelling) Amoxacillin, and I also have ADHD which is very common. My dad is a diabetic, shouldn't he have had me? My mom is manic depressive too.
I don't want people to be mad at me for what I have said but that is something to think about. I am a Jehovah's Witness, in my religion we believe that the Great Tribulation is very very very near to come and that all wickedness is to be wicked from the face of the earth. What does this have to do with this you may ask? It is also said that when it does come things will be so bad that if God didn't intervine no life would survive. Its prophesied that JWs are going to be persecuted until the world nations begin to kill them off and UNTIL then I am going to enjoy having more horses as much as possible. Although when the day does come when the authorities come to take me and my family away I'll be glad cause then I'll know the end is here. After that I can have all the horses my heart desires, if there are any left.

Sorry for the long statement. Please don't send me hate mail because I'm a Jehovah's Witness. I hope I got my opinion heard. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Eva Edwards

Ps: If you want to see my horses go to the link on my signature.

FrostedPaintsNApps · 03-27-2004, 02:04 PM

Its prophesied that JWs are going to be persecuted until the world nations begin to kill them off and UNTIL then I am going to enjoy having horses as much as possible.

Thats what I meant.
Sincerely,
Eva Edwards

cowgurly02 · 03-27-2004, 02:54 PM

umm the breeding of animals is lot different than people having kids.

and some people do sell horses intentionally to slaughterhouses. We have sold one horse for meat intentionally because he was dangerous and attacked my brother when my brother was 5. Can't have horses around like that.

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OwnerofWillow · 03-27-2004, 03:42 PM

The differances between ppl having kids and animals being bred is that the animals are not free to make up their own minds. If they were do you think they would care what pedigree the yummy looking boy in the corner had? No. We choose to breed them. (not talking about the horses that get out and breed) So it is our responsibility to care for them which some ppl have a problem grasping. I do agree though that if the derby winner mentioned above was so cared for by its previous owners they would have asked way before a couple years later how the horse was doing.

A "mutt" or mixed breed horse is not better or worse off than a purebred. The reason ppl want purebreds is for showing purposes. The reason ppl choose to breed to famous horses is because they have proven they are good in their disapline. Breeding should be done responsibly. If I breed my horse it will be so that my family can have the foal. I would do everything in my power to keep said foal until it has lived out his life. If I ever had to get rid of one of my horses I would make sure that I kept tabs on that horse and made the owners check with me before selling. I do not believe in ppl breeding any animal just for the heck of it. I have two dogs an APBT that I had fixed because we do not need to have any "accident" puppies.. We have a Purebred Dachshund that we will be fixing because she is deformed ( as 90% of double dapples are) and she would not make a good breeding candidate. Also I am not in the dog breeding or horse breeding business. If more ppl thought responsibly about which animals to breed or not breed there would be less unwanted animals around. I am not saying you are irresponsible for breeding your horse just that if you do not have a purpose other than well we want a baby horsie think twice about it. There are alot of horses out there even babies. I havent decided for sure if I will breed my mare next spring or not.. It all depends on if I find a young horse that fills my needs before next spring comes. I have given myself a year to look for a second horse that will be a good fit temperment wise with my family.

As far as ppl breeding horses for slaughter... They do not intentionally breed their horses for slaughter. If they choose to take the horse to slaughter it is usually because it is dangerous or ill... They do not run a Horse breeding farm where babies are fed up like cattle to be taken to slaughter. I hope that made sense.

Just as dogs and cats in over populated shelters must be euthanized, horses that are unwanted need to be killed. It is better that then starved or mistreated. And if someone in Japan is chowing down on Mr. Tiddlywinks who cares? The horse doesnt feel it.

Now getting off my soapbox so I can do my laundry.

FrostedPaintsNApps · 03-28-2004, 04:55 PM

Pure breds are beautiful, I really agree with you there. They are great for show. I've had people want me to use Jack for show because he's Black and has a very very naturally cury long mane. I've noticed though with Purebreds they tend to have more faults , not conformational, but all around. Like some breds get arthritis(sp?) easily and some don't. I like mixed breeds because then you can counter act the problems to make a beter horse. The the lighter friesian sport horses. I have 3 Mixed bred and 3 Pure breds. All are very nice to work with.
Lately I have been looking into buying PMU Foals because there's alot of great looking foals with nice conformation. Chyenne when we bought her had very very beautiful conformation but then Jack ran her threw our old barded wire fence (which is now all gone thank god), and ripped the muscles out of her front right leg. She over stressed and hyper extended the other leg and then got extremely skinny skinny this year from getting sore knees and not being able to come up for food like the others until we seperated her. My vet says she'll still be good for breeding, but riding may be a problem. She looks so crooked now from all her accidents you'd never guess it was the same horse.

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TBrescue · 01-12-2005, 05:58 AM

Equine Slaughter is in no way like that of fish, chickens or even cows. At least they are slaughtered in a humane manner. Horses, however are not. Their demize at these sites are full of pain and fear. They get hearded into the lines and proceed to what they call the "knock box" - no it is not electric or even quick - it is a tube with a bolt at the end of it that they use to fracture the equine's skull. Most of the time the horse is not dead or even unconsious before they are shoved down a shoot and they begin the work of bleeding them out and preparing the body for shipment.

For those that still don't understand. It would be like someone hitting you on the head and then carving you up while you still feel everything.

Do you still think it is the same? Cattle are treated with more humanity. You want to see for yourself - go to Equine Advocates web site. They will take you step by step through the slaughter. Be aware the pictures are very, very graphic.

That is why I run my facility and we are consitantly full with a waiting list. I do not have an age limit so we have babies along with elders. They all deserve a life where they are loved and enjoyed and not on someones plate.

TBrescue · 01-12-2005, 06:09 AM

Horse slaughter is extremely different than cows in the fact that cows are treated humanley. Horses are not. First they heard them into the lines, then they go to the "knock box" - a box where a metal tube with a bolt at the end of it fractures their skull, then they are shoved down a shoot where they bleed them out and begin to prepare them for shipment. Most times the horse is still alive when they go down the shoot.

Is that humane and fair? Go to equine advocates web site. They will take you inside and go step by step. The photos are extremely graphic.

Responsable breeding is the key. There are too many breeding just for the **** of it. The TB farms are the worst. I have rescued 5 in the past 2 months and constantly have them coming in for retirement and placement. They are puppy mills of the equine industry.

CowGirlUp1833 · 01-12-2005, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ColtysHeart

Everyone planning on breeding their mare this spring, please think first. Why are you breeding? Is it because you think it might be fun? You want to experience the "miracle of birth". You have a real sweet great mare that you would like to duplicate. Please think about the future first. Today the horse industry is being bombarded by the unwanted offspring of backyard breeders. It's almost like the stray dog/cat problem in the US. To many people are breeding horses without taking a real hard look at their horse. Conformation faults, temperment, etc. Please only breed horses that are the best of the best both in temperment and conformation. The current glut of horses in the market are fueling the slaughter horse industry. Whether you like it or not, most grade horses and several papered horses end up there before they reach 5 years old. For gosh sakes, Ferdinand (Kentucky Derby winner) was sent to slaughter. That is my view and it comes from many years of dealing with abused and neglected horses (throw aways).

VERY WELL SAID! I AGREE 100% ***************5 STARS!************

CowGirlUp1833 · 01-12-2005, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OwnerofWillow

Just as dogs and cats in over populated shelters must be euthanized, horses that are unwanted need to be killed. It is better that then starved or mistreated.

Yes, but if people wouldn't BREED for no reason, there wouldn't BE an overpopulation...we are not talking about slaughter here...we are talking about the root of the problem- BREEDING. Breeding shouldnt take place just "cause its fun" or "babies are cute" THAT IS THE ISSUE HERE!

MyBabyTex · 01-12-2005, 06:58 AM

Horse slaughter is never going to end. There is no point in fighting that. What we can fight is the WAY they are killed. We all know how inhumane it is. It would take probably LESS effort for them to be killed humanely! Struggling horses take up time.

This is what I feel we need to fight for. Not the end of slaughter, because until breeding is controlled, it will just not happen. There are just too many horses. ANd I don't think its fair to focus on ex champs who are sent to slaughter (ie Ferdinand) just because they achieved something. Haven't all of our horses worked hard for us and given and given and given? They should all be treated with the same respect to end their days in a huge green pasture with other horses to play with.

I know if I ever do breed I will have a buyer for it or it will be for me. I do want one foal in my lifetime. I dont think that is unreasonable.

I've been following horse slaughter for a long time. I think what we should also be worrying about is Premarin plants. What about the huge injustices done there? The foals are usually slaughtered as soon as they are no longer of any use. Put a stop to that inhumanity!

03-27-2004, 02:54 PM	#23
cowgurly02 Senior Member+ Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 9,496 Images: 237 Blog Entries: 361	umm the breeding of animals is lot different than people having kids. and some people do sell horses intentionally to slaughterhouses. We have sold one horse for meat intentionally because he was dangerous and attacked my brother when my brother was 5. Can't have horses around like that. <small>[ March 27, 2004, 03:58 PM: Message edited by: cowgurly02 ]</small> __________________ "I'm pretty sure there's a lot more to life than being really, really, ridiculously good looking. And I plan on finding out what that is." - Zoolander

01-12-2005, 05:58 AM	#26
TBrescue Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 2	For those of you who think Equine Slaughter is Humane Equine Slaughter is in no way like that of fish, chickens or even cows. At least they are slaughtered in a humane manner. Horses, however are not. Their demize at these sites are full of pain and fear. They get hearded into the lines and proceed to what they call the "knock box" - no it is not electric or even quick - it is a tube with a bolt at the end of it that they use to fracture the equine's skull. Most of the time the horse is not dead or even unconsious before they are shoved down a shoot and they begin the work of bleeding them out and preparing the body for shipment. For those that still don't understand. It would be like someone hitting you on the head and then carving you up while you still feel everything. Do you still think it is the same? Cattle are treated with more humanity. You want to see for yourself - go to Equine Advocates web site. They will take you step by step through the slaughter. Be aware the pictures are very, very graphic. That is why I run my facility and we are consitantly full with a waiting list. I do not have an age limit so we have babies along with elders. They all deserve a life where they are loved and enjoyed and not on someones plate.

03-27-2004, 01:53 PM	#21
FrostedPaintsNApps Full Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 285	I am with you guys on this subject but I do my own horses for my own use. I've had local breeders compliment on how Nice Fezick looks, how straight his legs are, how straight his legs are, how nice his head is, muscling etc... Then they ask me who his dam and sire are. My reply, and I'm not ashamed of this, is "I don't know." Its the same way with Frosty, my farrier who is well known in the area for breeding western pleasure types, says that he has good shape for a "Mix blood"(paso Fino Quarter Horse). Frosty has yet for his muscle and fat to catch up with his growing upwards. As for horses being over populated, yes they are BUT so are humans. If we set rules for humans as we do for horses then who could ver have children? If a person had a defect then they couldn't have kids, or if they weren't a famous figure they couldn't. Another thing, could all on this forum name their family tree all the way to their great great grand parents and if they couldn't, no children for them. I myself wouldn't be able to have children because I have PCOS (Polycystic Ovarian Sydrome), I'm alergic to Nickel and (bare with me on this spelling) Amoxacillin, and I also have ADHD which is very common. My dad is a diabetic, shouldn't he have had me? My mom is manic depressive too. I don't want people to be mad at me for what I have said but that is something to think about. I am a Jehovah's Witness, in my religion we believe that the Great Tribulation is very very very near to come and that all wickedness is to be wicked from the face of the earth. What does this have to do with this you may ask? It is also said that when it does come things will be so bad that if God didn't intervine no life would survive. Its prophesied that JWs are going to be persecuted until the world nations begin to kill them off and UNTIL then I am going to enjoy having more horses as much as possible. Although when the day does come when the authorities come to take me and my family away I'll be glad cause then I'll know the end is here. After that I can have all the horses my heart desires, if there are any left. Sorry for the long statement. Please don't send me hate mail because I'm a Jehovah's Witness. I hope I got my opinion heard. Thank you. Sincerely, Eva Edwards Ps: If you want to see my horses go to the link on my signature.

03-27-2004, 02:04 PM	#22
FrostedPaintsNApps Full Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 285	Its prophesied that JWs are going to be persecuted until the world nations begin to kill them off and UNTIL then I am going to enjoy having horses as much as possible. Thats what I meant. Sincerely, Eva Edwards

03-27-2004, 03:42 PM	#24
OwnerofWillow Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: AZ Posts: 908 Images: 11	The differances between ppl having kids and animals being bred is that the animals are not free to make up their own minds. If they were do you think they would care what pedigree the yummy looking boy in the corner had? No. We choose to breed them. (not talking about the horses that get out and breed) So it is our responsibility to care for them which some ppl have a problem grasping. I do agree though that if the derby winner mentioned above was so cared for by its previous owners they would have asked way before a couple years later how the horse was doing. A "mutt" or mixed breed horse is not better or worse off than a purebred. The reason ppl want purebreds is for showing purposes. The reason ppl choose to breed to famous horses is because they have proven they are good in their disapline. Breeding should be done responsibly. If I breed my horse it will be so that my family can have the foal. I would do everything in my power to keep said foal until it has lived out his life. If I ever had to get rid of one of my horses I would make sure that I kept tabs on that horse and made the owners check with me before selling. I do not believe in ppl breeding any animal just for the heck of it. I have two dogs an APBT that I had fixed because we do not need to have any "accident" puppies.. We have a Purebred Dachshund that we will be fixing because she is deformed ( as 90% of double dapples are) and she would not make a good breeding candidate. Also I am not in the dog breeding or horse breeding business. If more ppl thought responsibly about which animals to breed or not breed there would be less unwanted animals around. I am not saying you are irresponsible for breeding your horse just that if you do not have a purpose other than well we want a baby horsie think twice about it. There are alot of horses out there even babies. I havent decided for sure if I will breed my mare next spring or not.. It all depends on if I find a young horse that fills my needs before next spring comes. I have given myself a year to look for a second horse that will be a good fit temperment wise with my family. As far as ppl breeding horses for slaughter... They do not intentionally breed their horses for slaughter. If they choose to take the horse to slaughter it is usually because it is dangerous or ill... They do not run a Horse breeding farm where babies are fed up like cattle to be taken to slaughter. I hope that made sense. Just as dogs and cats in over populated shelters must be euthanized, horses that are unwanted need to be killed. It is better that then starved or mistreated. And if someone in Japan is chowing down on Mr. Tiddlywinks who cares? The horse doesnt feel it. Now getting off my soapbox so I can do my laundry.

03-28-2004, 04:55 PM	#25
FrostedPaintsNApps Full Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 285	Pure breds are beautiful, I really agree with you there. They are great for show. I've had people want me to use Jack for show because he's Black and has a very very naturally cury long mane. I've noticed though with Purebreds they tend to have more faults , not conformational, but all around. Like some breds get arthritis(sp?) easily and some don't. I like mixed breeds because then you can counter act the problems to make a beter horse. The the lighter friesian sport horses. I have 3 Mixed bred and 3 Pure breds. All are very nice to work with. Lately I have been looking into buying PMU Foals because there's alot of great looking foals with nice conformation. Chyenne when we bought her had very very beautiful conformation but then Jack ran her threw our old barded wire fence (which is now all gone thank god), and ripped the muscles out of her front right leg. She over stressed and hyper extended the other leg and then got extremely skinny skinny this year from getting sore knees and not being able to come up for food like the others until we seperated her. My vet says she'll still be good for breeding, but riding may be a problem. She looks so crooked now from all her accidents you'd never guess it was the same horse. <small>[ March 28, 2004, 06:00 PM: Message edited by: FrostedPaintsNApps ]</small>

01-12-2005, 06:09 AM	#27
TBrescue Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 2	Horse slaughter is extremely different than cows in the fact that cows are treated humanley. Horses are not. First they heard them into the lines, then they go to the "knock box" - a box where a metal tube with a bolt at the end of it fractures their skull, then they are shoved down a shoot where they bleed them out and begin to prepare them for shipment. Most times the horse is still alive when they go down the shoot. Is that humane and fair? Go to equine advocates web site. They will take you inside and go step by step. The photos are extremely graphic. Responsable breeding is the key. There are too many breeding just for the **** of it. The TB farms are the worst. I have rescued 5 in the past 2 months and constantly have them coming in for retirement and placement. They are puppy mills of the equine industry.

01-12-2005, 06:58 AM	#30
MyBabyTex Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 3,177 Images: 65	Horse slaughter is never going to end. There is no point in fighting that. What we can fight is the WAY they are killed. We all know how inhumane it is. It would take probably LESS effort for them to be killed humanely! Struggling horses take up time. This is what I feel we need to fight for. Not the end of slaughter, because until breeding is controlled, it will just not happen. There are just too many horses. ANd I don't think its fair to focus on ex champs who are sent to slaughter (ie Ferdinand) just because they achieved something. Haven't all of our horses worked hard for us and given and given and given? They should all be treated with the same respect to end their days in a huge green pasture with other horses to play with. I know if I ever do breed I will have a buyer for it or it will be for me. I do want one foal in my lifetime. I dont think that is unreasonable. I've been following horse slaughter for a long time. I think what we should also be worrying about is Premarin plants. What about the huge injustices done there? The foals are usually slaughtered as soon as they are no longer of any use. Put a stop to that inhumanity!