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Shay's Sunshine · 03-20-2007, 07:43 PM

That was a GREAT inf. about shivers. That is the strange thing about Shay's problem. There just doesn't seem to be an obvious trigger to his episodes. However, I did notice that cold water seem to really bother him. That is about the only thing. I can lift his foot, back him up, the one vet even lounged him trotting. Both vets pushed and pulled on his leg. One day I thought he was better, the next he was worse. This has been VERY weird all around.

Although, he seemed to be doing pretty good today as well as yesterday!!!! I am encouraged.

BTW talked with the vet school today and they said they had never seen anything like that before either (sent the video and my log) and they would be glad to take him.

My wishful prayer is that the chiro takes care of the problem on Thursday! I will let you all know how that goes.

jumpthemoon · 03-20-2007, 08:49 PM

He is such a cute horse. I hope you are able to get this figured out soon for Shay's sake.

morgangirl · 03-21-2007, 07:09 AM

Okay I checked into puncture wounds in this vet book.

Puncture wounds of the hind foot may cause a stringhalt attitude to the gait. (This looks similar to what your horse is doing.) The horse will move the limb in a hyperflexed manner, arounsing suspicion of lameness involving structures farther up the limb. Lameness may not be evident until after infection has caused a pododermatitis.

If a veterinarian is conscientious about examining the bottom of the foot for any lameness, very few puncture wounds will be overlooked. One sould always be sure that a shoe nail or separation of the white line does not cause the lameness. These conditions cause the same pathological changes and signs as direct puncture wounds. I am sure your vet has checked for all of these but it does say that puncture wounds of the frog are the most difficult to locate, because one the foreign body has been pulled out, the spongy frog closes over the wound, making it difficult to find. Could it be possible he stepped on a nail or something and it didn't stay in his hoof just caused the puncture wound.

Blistering Winds · 03-21-2007, 05:20 PM

Shay....Your video is circulating something serious.

I didn't even realize you were a member here and didn't even see this thread for some reason.

I even emailed you on youtube about joining here.

So you can ignore that message! LMAO

I got your video in several emails from several different groups i'm involved in! You are definitly getting some spot light time!

Biggest thing I can come up with is a pinched nerve. NOt much can help it, even anti-inflammatories. It is something that either will be "Compensated" for or a vet needs to go in and fix the issue. Some of them are hard to diagnose.....

Good luck in it. You will probably be flooded with info in your youtube with the emails that are being kicked out.

bay_blnd jmpr07 · 03-21-2007, 05:37 PM

^^Ok...now that is just cool! Small world, huh?

I really hope you can get to the bottom of this. You have such a nice looking horse!

I don't know how you're dealing with this emotionally, but I'd be crying myself to sleep.

I hope everything starts to clear up real soon and you get answers!

Morri · 03-21-2007, 06:01 PM

There may be a chance that the chiro can help it don't you think? My friend that gets sciatica gets her chiro to release it when it gets pinched.

Best of luck to you and the horse (((Shay))) I know it's hard to keep your spirits up, but you are doing all you can.

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Originally Posted by Blistering Winds

Biggest thing I can come up with is a pinched nerve. NOt much can help it, even anti-inflammatories. It is something that either will be "Compensated" for or a vet needs to go in and fix the issue. Some of them are hard to diagnose.....
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Blistering Winds · 03-21-2007, 06:07 PM

Depends on which direction and the cause.

Chiros can't help me. Surgery is my only option....

but it depends on the cause.....

wouldn't hurt to consider different options, including holistics at this point as well.

Shay's Sunshine · 03-22-2007, 09:43 AM

I last reported Shay had 2 good days, well, yesterday and today were BAD days! It is very upsetting for the both of us.

Tody chiro came - Shay had 2 episodes for him so he got to see it. The chiro worked him over. Conclusion - 3 problems going on - infection, parisites and L3 & L6 out in spine. He believes that we have a cycle going on here and must break one of them to allow his own body to fight the infection.

So I stopped at home to eat and update you and then out to get Panacure - to give dose today and another dose on Saturday. Parisites would explain his constent hunger and thirst. I am to pressure spray his his leg/hoof - (remember the wound at cornary band). Chiro believes infection is still a problem. (Remember he was on antibotics for 2 weeks!) I am giving him Probi to help his gut.

My dilema now is how much time to give this "solution" - remember it has already been 3 weeks - I am afraid of permanent damage - Vet school ready to take us but I do consider the trauma of all that.

Emotionally, I am pretty much a wreck. I feel totally insecure in my decision making. Both Shay and I are pretty spent.

Thank you again for all who cared enough to give opinion, investigate and words of encouragement. (and even those who are spreading video around - maybe it will reach someone who knows about this?) Thanks for telling me - I will go check my You Tube.

Blessings to you all!

BettyBootsy · 03-22-2007, 09:58 AM

Wow girl! Heres my 2 cents! Worming couldn't hurt period! Use probios for sure! How confident were you with this chiro? Whats the rep. around for him or her? Man it's a hard call and to be honest with you 3 weeks and worse I would be hauling him too the University! I wouldn't waste any more time! Now saying that if you chiro was right I would feel bad but it's better to be safe than sorry and you have already had professional opinions and trys that haven't worked! Sorry I know thats not much help!

JBandRio · 03-22-2007, 10:32 AM

Shivers/stringhalt may be a primary problem, or a secondary problem. Symptoms present the same regardless.

EPSM can bring on the symptoms, and modifying the diet to an EPSM diet can reduce or eliminate the symptoms.

If it's the primary problem, then no, it isn't curable. It may lessen to some degree by supplementing vitamin E and Selenium (which is also part of the EPSM diet), but it's not curable.

03-20-2007, 08:49 PM	#72
jumpthemoon Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: CA Posts: 3,498 Images: 38	He is such a cute horse. I hope you are able to get this figured out soon for Shay's sake. __________________ I love the Backyardigans! "Last I checked, the snarky kids were not the judges." kellidahorsegirl

03-21-2007, 05:20 PM	#74
Blistering Winds Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Augusta, Kansas Posts: 31,416 Images: 793 Blog Entries: 16	Shay....Your video is circulating something serious. I didn't even realize you were a member here and didn't even see this thread for some reason. I even emailed you on youtube about joining here. So you can ignore that message! LMAO I got your video in several emails from several different groups i'm involved in! You are definitly getting some spot light time! Biggest thing I can come up with is a pinched nerve. NOt much can help it, even anti-inflammatories. It is something that either will be "Compensated" for or a vet needs to go in and fix the issue. Some of them are hard to diagnose..... Good luck in it. You will probably be flooded with info in your youtube with the emails that are being kicked out. __________________ 20 lb club: New year Start: 175 Goal: 130 Current: 158 Total loss this year 17 lbs.

03-21-2007, 06:07 PM	#77
Blistering Winds Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Augusta, Kansas Posts: 31,416 Images: 793 Blog Entries: 16	Depends on which direction and the cause. Chiros can't help me. Surgery is my only option.... but it depends on the cause..... wouldn't hurt to consider different options, including holistics at this point as well. __________________ 20 lb club: New year Start: 175 Goal: 130 Current: 158 Total loss this year 17 lbs.

03-22-2007, 10:32 AM	#80
JBandRio Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NC Posts: 19,666 Images: 121 Blog Entries: 12	Shivers/stringhalt may be a primary problem, or a secondary problem. Symptoms present the same regardless. EPSM can bring on the symptoms, and modifying the diet to an EPSM diet can reduce or eliminate the symptoms. If it's the primary problem, then no, it isn't curable. It may lessen to some degree by supplementing vitamin E and Selenium (which is also part of the EPSM diet), but it's not curable. __________________ - JB Acres, owned and operated by Dynamite animals. - It's a wonder horses as a whole don't just kill us all and be done with their misery. - Keep your voice soothing and low - even when things get western (buck1173) - Rio feels good - he bounced an in-and-out

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03-20-2007, 07:43 PM	#71
Shay's Sunshine Full Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 267 Images: 13	That was a GREAT inf. about shivers. That is the strange thing about Shay's problem. There just doesn't seem to be an obvious trigger to his episodes. However, I did notice that cold water seem to really bother him. That is about the only thing. I can lift his foot, back him up, the one vet even lounged him trotting. Both vets pushed and pulled on his leg. One day I thought he was better, the next he was worse. This has been VERY weird all around. Although, he seemed to be doing pretty good today as well as yesterday!!!! I am encouraged. BTW talked with the vet school today and they said they had never seen anything like that before either (sent the video and my log) and they would be glad to take him. My wishful prayer is that the chiro takes care of the problem on Thursday! I will let you all know how that goes.

03-21-2007, 07:09 AM	#73
morgangirl Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,124 Images: 28	Okay I checked into puncture wounds in this vet book. Puncture wounds of the hind foot may cause a stringhalt attitude to the gait. (This looks similar to what your horse is doing.) The horse will move the limb in a hyperflexed manner, arounsing suspicion of lameness involving structures farther up the limb. Lameness may not be evident until after infection has caused a pododermatitis. If a veterinarian is conscientious about examining the bottom of the foot for any lameness, very few puncture wounds will be overlooked. One sould always be sure that a shoe nail or separation of the white line does not cause the lameness. These conditions cause the same pathological changes and signs as direct puncture wounds. I am sure your vet has checked for all of these but it does say that puncture wounds of the frog are the most difficult to locate, because one the foreign body has been pulled out, the spongy frog closes over the wound, making it difficult to find. Could it be possible he stepped on a nail or something and it didn't stay in his hoof just caused the puncture wound.

03-22-2007, 09:43 AM	#78
Shay's Sunshine Full Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 267 Images: 13	I last reported Shay had 2 good days, well, yesterday and today were BAD days! It is very upsetting for the both of us. Tody chiro came - Shay had 2 episodes for him so he got to see it. The chiro worked him over. Conclusion - 3 problems going on - infection, parisites and L3 & L6 out in spine. He believes that we have a cycle going on here and must break one of them to allow his own body to fight the infection. So I stopped at home to eat and update you and then out to get Panacure - to give dose today and another dose on Saturday. Parisites would explain his constent hunger and thirst. I am to pressure spray his his leg/hoof - (remember the wound at cornary band). Chiro believes infection is still a problem. (Remember he was on antibotics for 2 weeks!) I am giving him Probi to help his gut. My dilema now is how much time to give this "solution" - remember it has already been 3 weeks - I am afraid of permanent damage - Vet school ready to take us but I do consider the trauma of all that. Emotionally, I am pretty much a wreck. I feel totally insecure in my decision making. Both Shay and I are pretty spent. Thank you again for all who cared enough to give opinion, investigate and words of encouragement. (and even those who are spreading video around - maybe it will reach someone who knows about this?) Thanks for telling me - I will go check my You Tube. Blessings to you all!

03-22-2007, 09:58 AM	#79
BettyBootsy Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,931 Images: 64	Wow girl! Heres my 2 cents! Worming couldn't hurt period! Use probios for sure! How confident were you with this chiro? Whats the rep. around for him or her? Man it's a hard call and to be honest with you 3 weeks and worse I would be hauling him too the University! I wouldn't waste any more time! Now saying that if you chiro was right I would feel bad but it's better to be safe than sorry and you have already had professional opinions and trys that haven't worked! Sorry I know thats not much help!