Ely as a gelding? Decision made...

Tankstar · 09-24-2007, 04:50 PM

If he is just a weanling, you never know how he will be in 2 or years. If you have the time, money and all that to try and get him out there and seen by pothers, and you want to do it, and can. Then I say go for it. But at the end of the day it is all down to you.

Mutrok · 09-24-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tankstar

If he is just a weanling, you never know how he will be in 2 or years. If you have the time, money and all that to try and get him out there and seen by pothers, and you want to do it, and can. Then I say go for it. But at the end of the day it is all down to you.

That's the thing...time and money...not an issue...it is how to get him the most competition to show against. There are just not colts and stallions being shown locally, regionally or nationally in the same numbers as the geldings.

He could potentially place very hight in a gelidng class or a stallion class but...if there are 20+ horses in the gelding class and only 5 in the stallion class which means more? Granted the quality of horses showing in each depends but assuming comporable quality.

doublebarr · 09-24-2007, 04:56 PM

Are you just planning on showing him in halter, or are you going performance with him?

Reason I ask, if you are looking long term to performance, then that is where the "competition" advantage changes for you. Once you hit the performance ring, sex does not matter. A "slow" halter career with a performance career in the final vision is not a bad thing for a stud.

Mutrok · 09-24-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by doublebarr

Are you just planning on showing him in halter, or are you going performance with him?

Reason I ask, if you are looking long term to performance, then that is where the "competition" advantage changes for you. Once you hit the performance ring, sex does not matter. A "slow" halter career with a performance career in the final vision is not a bad thing for a stud.

I plan on a halter now and a performance later. I could see him being a versitility champion in the future. My goal is the ultimate tripple threat, lol!

doublebarr · 09-24-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mutrok

I plan on a halter now and a performance later. I could see him being a versitility champion in the future. My goal is the ultimate tripple threat, lol!

Then if you have the money, you have the time to plan for the "bigger picture" and you get him going with a "top end trainer" to promote the heck out of him as a performance horse, I don't see why you shouldn't wait.

Let the judges and the work be the decission maker. If he just keeps succeeding (even if the class he wins in hatler is only 5 horses, he still beat the top 5 studs there

) and handling the pressures as a stud, why not take the chance, knowing the knife is only a short trip away if he doesn't pan out.

As nice a colt as he is now, I would hold out and give him that chance at performance as a stud. But, I'm all about performance anyway, the halter points are just "extra fluff", the performance is where the horse is made for me.

Mutrok · 09-24-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by doublebarr

Then if you have the money, you have the time to plan for the "bigger picture" and you get him going with a "top end trainer" to promote the heck out of him as a performance horse, I don't see why you shouldn't wait.

Let the judges and the work be the decission maker. If he just keeps succeeding (even if the class he wins in hatler is only 5 horses, he still beat the top 5 studs there

) and handling the pressures as a stud, why not take the chance, knowing the knife is only a short trip away if he doesn't pan out.

As nice a colt as he is now, I would hold out and give him that chance at performance as a stud. But, I'm all about performance anyway, the halter points are just "extra fluff", the performance is where the horse is made for me.

True, true....I am trying to formulate what I already have in my head as an idea and think long term. There are others who look at short term and what he could do now and I have to decide do I want the now or the long term.

Why couldn't he have been a she, lol!!

ryu2832 · 09-24-2007, 07:50 PM

You could collect him then geld him. Use him in your program if you want, or sell straws for big$$$ when he hits the big time.

Best of both worlds....

cminor · 09-24-2007, 08:03 PM

I probably should not say anything due to my lack of knowledge about appy's, but I think your horse is adorable and think that he is a outstanding representative of the breed. If he were mine, and I was you with the fact that there are so many poor quality studs out there I would lean to at least letting him grow up some and see how it goes. With as wonderful as your little guy is, in a class of 5 colts, he is gonna stand out even more and people are gonna notice easier in a small class. Just my opinion and glad I am not in your shoes to have to make a decision like that.

Haas Horse Farm · 09-24-2007, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wyldterv

Yes and here's another way to look at it, since you already know for certain that he would be completely world class gelding material and that is a HOT market in your breed at this time, you can sell him for $$$$ with YOUR farm name and YOU as breeder attached to him and let someone ELSE spend the $$$$ promoting your name FOR you

LOL Wow you just saved me a whole lot of key strokes... so I will just say Yeah what Karyn said.

To me you would be super $$ ahead to geld him. You own his dam and you know where his sire is so it is not as if the factory is dead. You will make a name for yourself with him or even with someone else showing him... you own half the factory so that will be YOU in the spotlight whenever he competes.

I honestly do agree that he is stallion material. However I know how great the gelding market is. That is the reason that many of the offspring from my farm are gelded. They are more valuable at this time. So I do agree that he is indeed stallion material... (Did everyone read that. I do like stallions so my knife is not wanting to cut EVERYTHING! LOL~Guess that means you must be a professional breeder Mutrok since I like your stallion!)
On a personal note:I would geld my yearling in a heartbeat if I was sure that I could have another foal out of his dam. She ripped terribly and has had a lot of surgeries so we are just not sure about that.

Ava · 09-25-2007, 07:07 AM

you have a hard decision to make, and i wouldnt want to be you. But if your colt has a lot of stallion prospect. I would either have him as a stallion or collect him and then geld him. As Ryu said already. but its your decision and good luck with making it.

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ryu2832 Senior Member+ Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Iowa, USA Posts: 2,957 Images: 43	You could collect him then geld him. Use him in your program if you want, or sell straws for big$$$ when he hits the big time. Best of both worlds.... __________________ Gene Pool: Warning, no lifegaurd on duty. "Advice is what we ask for when we already know the answer but wish we didn't." author Erica Jong

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09-24-2007, 04:50 PM	#11
Tankstar Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ajax, ontario Posts: 58	If he is just a weanling, you never know how he will be in 2 or years. If you have the time, money and all that to try and get him out there and seen by pothers, and you want to do it, and can. Then I say go for it. But at the end of the day it is all down to you.

09-24-2007, 04:56 PM	#13
doublebarr Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Missouri Posts: 7,465 Images: 549	Are you just planning on showing him in halter, or are you going performance with him? Reason I ask, if you are looking long term to performance, then that is where the "competition" advantage changes for you. Once you hit the performance ring, sex does not matter. A "slow" halter career with a performance career in the final vision is not a bad thing for a stud.

09-24-2007, 08:03 PM	#18
cminor Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hot Texas Posts: 2,690 Images: 336	I probably should not say anything due to my lack of knowledge about appy's, but I think your horse is adorable and think that he is a outstanding representative of the breed. If he were mine, and I was you with the fact that there are so many poor quality studs out there I would lean to at least letting him grow up some and see how it goes. With as wonderful as your little guy is, in a class of 5 colts, he is gonna stand out even more and people are gonna notice easier in a small class. Just my opinion and glad I am not in your shoes to have to make a decision like that.

09-25-2007, 07:07 AM	#20
Ava Full Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Canada, Ont Posts: 73 Images: 2	you have a hard decision to make, and i wouldnt want to be you. But if your colt has a lot of stallion prospect. I would either have him as a stallion or collect him and then geld him. As Ryu said already. but its your decision and good luck with making it.