[lucky_pine]

So...lets take this a bit further. What if you bred a dunalino or dunskin to another horse carrying a cream gene, like a cremello or perlino (creme genes right?) what would the foal have as far as cream? Would that be a double dilute (wild guess)

[lucky_pine]

If we've got all these cream genes and terms floating around, and since breeders know more about colors than the registries do themselves...why don't we go in and change colors and add new colors to registries? I can see a lot of colors getting goofed up, but won't that make it WAY easier to tell what you will get out of such and such cross? Or is it just so much work for the registry and they see no point in doing it? I wouldn't be so dumb about colors then.

[Acme Acres]

www.doubledilute.com

[accphotography]

Originally Posted by lucky_pine

So...lets take this a bit further. What if you bred a dunalino or dunskin to another horse carrying a cream gene, like a cremello or perlino (creme genes right?) what would the foal have as far as cream? Would that be a double dilute (wild guess)

For simplicity of base colors sake:

A dunalino bred to a cremello would get you:
25% cremello with dun
25% cremello
25% palomino with dun
25% palomino

This dunskin and perlino would mess up basic inheritanc elearning because then you are dealing with hetero or homozygous black and agouti. Save that one for later.

ACC

[Solsalia]

Originally Posted by lucky_pine

I am so confused by these two terms. Knowing hardly anything about color genetics, I'm sure you can tell why. Haha. So can you explain to me (with pictures?) how a horse can be dun and palomino and dun and buckskin?

I skimmed through the posts and thought I'll input my basic knowledge. What a dunskin is from the basics...
A black horse
With a bay(agouti gene) this make a bay horse
and a creme gene this makes a buckskin
and a dun gene then this makes a dunskin

now a dunalino is...
A chestnut/sorrel horse
with a creme gene makes a palomino
and a dun gene then makes a dunalino

Every horse has two basic colors, black and red. they have two genes so they can be E/E which is Two black genes or e/e which is two red genes. If they have E/e then they are a black horse with a red gene. Black is dominate over red and you will not know they have red unless your test for it with hair or breeding.

[Haas Horse Farm]

Originally Posted by solsalia

Every horse has two basic colors, black and red. they have two genes so they can be E/E which is Two black genes or e/e which is two red genes. If they have E/e then they are a black horse with a red gene. Black is dominate over red and you will not know they have red unless your test for it with hair or breeding.

You are right but wrong... LOL You can also tell without testing by looking at the parents... if one parent is red ee and one parent is black EE or Ee and the offspring is black it will automatically be Ee.

That said if both parents are Ee or one is Ee and the other EE does not mean the offspring are automatically EE... you would have to test to be sure.

Horse colors are like algebra... you take the color codes from each parent and remember each can only throw one of the combination so we know... ee x ee = ee EE x EE = EE Ee x ee = Ee or ee or ee or ee... Do you see how that works?

http://www.geocities.com/colorgallery/genetics.html

http://www.horsecolor.com/

[Solsalia]

Originally Posted by Haas Horse Farm

You are right but wrong... LOL You can also tell without testing by looking at the parents... if one parent is red ee and one parent is black EE or Ee and the offspring is black it will automatically be Ee.

That said if both parents are Ee or one is Ee and the other EE does not mean the offspring are automatically EE... you would have to test to be sure.

Horse colors are like algebra... you take the color codes from each parent and remember each can only throw one of the combination so we know... ee x ee = ee EE x EE = EE Ee x ee = Ee or ee or ee or ee... Do you see how that works?

http://www.geocities.com/colorgallery/genetics.html

http://www.horsecolor.com/

I knew that! But at the time I didn't think of it LOL and I thought I was being all smart and stuff

[Haas Horse Farm]

LOL You were very smart but I just wanted to be sure that those who did not know would not spend money on color testing that is not necessary. That is why I want to make people think about these things when asking about color.

1) What color are the sire and dam?

2) What breed are they? (That matters as certain breeds do not have certain colors if they are purebred... i.e. Arabians do not have the cream gene.)

3) Is either parent really gray but listed a different color on the bred registry?

4) Any color such as cream, dun, roan, champagne, tobiano, gray: the parent must have that color.

5) Rabicano, Flaxen, Sabino, Splash Overo, Frame Overo: all may appear suddenly from a seemingly solid horse or may so to speak skip generations.

6) Silver and Agouti hide on red, and Cream hides on Black and Brown.

7) All Double Dilutes must have blue eyes.

8) Light hair in the ears does not mean a cream gene.

9) Foal colors at birth are often closer to adult color than when the foal is dry, except with champagne.

10)All colors shed darker, except champagne that sheds lighter. Gray has strange foal colors.

Those are just things to think about.... when trying to decide color. I sure that there are more but those are just a quick list I think of when trying to decipher a color question.