I came across a very nice stallion that is supposed to be double-registered as a Paint Horse and a Quarter Horse. He has enough white certainly to be a minimal Paint, but am still confused how this is possible.

I know that Paint Horses have a one parent minimum, as in one parent must be a registered Paint and the other an approved cross for the resulting foal to be registered a Paint Horse.

As far as I know Quarter Horses require both parents to be either registered Quarter Horses or Thoroughbreds. Also, I thought they had a "High White" Rule?

I'm not a breeder, so it is quite possible I'm rather behind the times since I'm not a registered member of either organization. I know that they changed the rule a few years ago to allow Cremellos/Perlinos to be registered as Quarter Horses so I could see how a Cremello/Perlino could be double-registered as a Paint Horse/Quarter Horse. But how would this work for a sorrel with high whites and a belly spot?

Also, if a horse is double-registered as both Quarter Horse and Paint Horse, does that mean it can produce purebred foals of both breeds? Could the foals be double-registered? Can a double-registered horse compete in both associations, I mean as both a Quarter Horse are Quarter Horse only shows and as a Paint Horse at Paint shows?

[NikkiLvsHorses]

This is a good question, I'd love to hear the answer because I don't have any idea what it is.

[GeorgieGirl]

Not saying this is gospel truth, but this is how I understand it,
the AQHA used to have strict guidlines on how much white was allowed on the registered horses. Those horses that fell outside the lines, were eligible for breeding stock paint papers, due to the fact that they colored out slightly. (Since they were allowing the infusion of QH blood anyway) Now, that being said, a year or so ago,or two, i don't rememember exactly, but the AQHA got so many complaints about the pure QH not being able to be registered because of this that they changed the guidlines, and now what they called excessive white is allowed to be registered AQHA. They can still, however (I believe) be double registered as breeding stock paints. Which would be an asset if it were a stallion or mare, but the APHA shows have specific classes for BS horses, and I find it to be a waste of time, a Paint is a Paint is a Paint, no matter how you paint it. LOL sorry) But that would be like saying, We have QH classes, but we have special "bay QH" classes and the bays can't go in the regular classes...but thats a whole other thread.

As for the showing, if you have bona fide papers for AQHA and APHA, then you are certainly allowed to breed and register and show under both Associations.

Hope I didn't confuse you more, but thats the gist, and how I understood it.

[Acme Acres]

Horses don't have to be breedingstocks to get their APHA papers. In fact, there are quite a few horses that are very loud and have received their AQHA papers

Okay, if I'm understanding this right, at one time crop-out Quarter Horses could be registered as Paints IF they had enough white to qualify, but could not be registered as Quarter Horses because they had too much white.

However, they recently changed that rule so as long as the horse has two registered Quarter Horse parents, it can be registered as a Quarter Horse? However, if it has enough white it can still be registered as a Paint? So, basically a crop-out Quarter Horse can now be double-registered?

Well, I'm still a little confused. I thought that with Paint Horses one parent has to be a registered Paint.

[Drafty1]

A double registered APHA/AQHA horse is a foal from two registered AQHA parents. They have enough white to be registered as a PAINT (APHA). APHA was created in the beginning from AQHA foals and some grade horses that had to much white for the AQHA.
Their solid foal can be registered with AQHA if out of a AQHA Mare, which would be worth more than to registering the foal as a APHA breeding stock. And if the foal had enough color to be paint it would be worth more to double register it. But if the Foal was out of a paint mare and was solid it would just be a breeding stock. they can show both APHA and AQHA.
But I think AQHA is doing away with allowing double registered horses.<-- Correct me if I'm wrong.

I can see I'm going to have to do some research into registering Paints and Quarter Horses. I didn't realize it was so complex!

Okay, I just looked around the APHA site and found this information.

They no longer have "Breeding Stock". They now have "Solid Paint-Bred": APHA.Com - Solid Paint-Bred

They require a Breeder's Certificate for registration and say that either a APHA or an AQHA one will do: APHA.Com - Registration Guides

According to this: http://www.apha.com/forms/PDFFiles/r...gistration.pdf

All horses in Regular Registry must have one APHA Registered Paint parent after Jan. 1, 2005.

The Solid Paint-Bred Registry is for horses that do not meet the color requirements for Regular Registry.

All horses registered prior to Jan. 1, 2006 resulting from the breeding of two Quarter horses or a Quarter Horse and a Thoroughbred, or two Thoroughbreds that are ineligible for registration with their respective breed registry will remain classified as Breeding Stock/Identification Status.

Apparently the AQHA no longer has their "High White" Rule. It was changed Apr. 28, 2004.

AQHA BEGINS REGISTERING HORSES NOW ELIGIBLE

Sorry, I should have thought to look this stuff up from them directly earlier.

[Sandra-A1]

It was my understanding that the APHA was created because so many people were angry that their AQHA bred horses were being denied registration because of their having too much white. Some folks thought that the wild white was a sign of impurity and breeders who produced horses with it were though to be breeding horses that were not real Quarter Horses.
So........the owners of these horses knew otherwise (that their horses were "real" Quarter horses), got mad at the AQHA, and formed their own registry and association that became the American Paint horse Association.

Now YEARS later the AQHA powers that be, have decided that DNA testing (and the like) has convinced them that all of this wild white that occasionally crops up can happen to the "purest" of Quarter Horse bloodlines and breeding programs so they now allow horses that have it.

I also think that it was a 'financial decision' since the APHA is one of today's fastest growing registries and Associations and would be...and most likely is, competition to the AQHA.
Since they both register horses of Quarter Horse and Thoroughbred Breeding and the Tobiano and Overo markings are the only real difference in the two breeds then I can see why the APHA is working on closing it's book and expect to see only APHA registered horse accepted for registration before too long. Just as the AQHA has decided to hold on to horses and member I see the APHA doing the same.