[wyldterv]

Originally Posted by Dax

...Health testing is bare minimum of what anyone who believes their dog is worthy of reproduction, should do.

Exactly... Your dog not only needs to be healthy, but needs sterling temperament CORRECT for it's breed, needs sterling structure CORRECT for it's breed, Correct coat, correct TYPE and have something truly good to offer to the breed as a whole.

I breed Belgian Tervuren and have for over 20 yrs now... and in that time I have bred a total of 7 litters to date because I don't breed to produce dogs. I breed to try to create BETTER dogs then I currently have and can currently find. Out of every litter only one or two MAXIMUM go on to be used in anyone's breeding program and in a few litters, NONE went on to be used because, while they were AKC Champions they were still not good enough to be breeding dogs for my program.

Originally Posted by Hano-Arab

I know there should be more then just health testing when it comes to breeding dogs. But with all the "breeders" these days, that would be a miracle, if they atleast did that.

Clarissa

I'm sorry but MOST people are NOT breeders at all, they are PRODUCERS and there is a HUGE difference IMO. A breeder does not breed a dog to get cute puppies or to try to make a quick buck. A PRODUCER does

There are FEW good breeders that truly understand their breed and truly work to better their breed, there are TONS and TONS of Producers out there

[cminor]

I totally agree with what you say^^^. My mom never had many litters of puppies either and when she did breed she made sure that she was doing it right just like what you talked about. We had dogs that were never bred they were companions and working dogs.

[Hano-Arab]

Originally Posted by wyldterv

Exactly... Your dog not only needs to be healthy, but needs sterling temperament CORRECT for it's breed, needs sterling structure CORRECT for it's breed, Correct coat, correct TYPE and have something truly good to offer to the breed as a whole.

I breed Belgian Tervuren and have for over 20 yrs now... and in that time I have bred a total of 7 litters Good for you. I know you are a very responsible breeder. Kudos to you and your dogs! Especially Wyld. to date because I don't breed to produce dogs. I breed to try to create BETTER dogs then I currently have and can currently find. Out of every litter only one or two MAXIMUM go on to be used in anyone's breeding program and in a few litters, NONE went on to be used because, while they were AKC Champions they were still not good enough to be breeding dogs for my program.

I'm sorry but MOST people are NOT breeders at all, they are PRODUCERS and there is a HUGE difference IMO. A breeder does not breed a dog to get cute puppies or to try to make a quick buck. A PRODUCER does

There are FEW good breeders that truly understand their breed and truly work to better their breed, there are TONS and TONS of Producers out there

That first paragraph should be published.

For example, I have yet to find a GSD breeder I really like. I don't like those long haired GSDs and would actually prefer if the breeder didn't breed those, a woman had one and told me they sometimes just "pop out". Is this true?
I want to find a breeder who's dogs have perfect conformation and in my mind isn't that steep slope or roach they now have. Their dogs have to have a GSD temperment like they were bred to have. None of that overly aggressive or shy stuff with me.
I would love to find a perfect breeder near me, but if I had to I would go to Canada and even the East Coast.

But that is why I typed "breeders" because that is what they call themselves. Pretty pathetic.
Some people are getting ridiculous though.

Here are those St. Berdoodles. Fido by design? Hmm...
http://www.fidobydesign.com/

Clarissa

[Hano-Arab]

http://fidobydesign.com/_wsn/page2.html

Look at that third picture down. That is supposed to be a purebred St. Bernard. What a shame.

Clarissa

[wyldterv]

Originally Posted by cminor

I totally agree with what you say^^^. My mom never had many litters of puppies either and when she did breed she made sure that she was doing it right just like what you talked about. We had dogs that were never bred they were companions and working dogs.

Your mom sounds like she was a very dedicated, caring breeder. She did not take the easy route of just popping out puppies, she put work and thought into what she did, a TRUE breeder, NOT a producer!

Originally Posted by Hano-Arab

That first paragraph should be published.

For example, I have yet to find a GSD breeder I really like. I don't like those long haired GSDs and would actually prefer if the breeder didn't breed those, a woman had one and told me they sometimes just "pop out". Is this true?

Actually YES that is very true what she told you, Longhaired GSD's are recessive trait and CAN pop up when you breed to carriers to one another and there is not genetic testing to be certain if you have a carrier or not, so honestly, that is not a sign of a poor breeder in itself. NOW if that breeder consistently and purposefully breeds FOR long haired GSDs then that is a breeder who is not interested in breeding to their breed standard.

I want to find a breeder who's dogs have perfect conformation and in my mind isn't that steep slope or roach they now have. Their dogs have to have a GSD temperment like they were bred to have. None of that overly aggressive or shy stuff with me.
I would love to find a perfect breeder near me, but if I had to I would go to Canada and even the East Coast.

But that is why I typed "breeders" because that is what they call themselves. Pretty pathetic.
Some people are getting ridiculous though.

Here are those St. Berdoodles. Fido by design? Hmm...
http://www.fidobydesign.com/

Clarissa

I can CALL myself Michael Jordan but that does not make me Michael Jordan

[Lou3]

No absolutely I would not.

I have bred 3 litter of pups - out of a female that was a proven show ring champion and by a very carefully chosen stud.

ALL dogs were hip and elbow tested, eye tested and my female had liver panels pulled before each litter. This is the absolute MINIMUM in health testing one needs in my breed to be a responsible breeder. ANY large breed should be hip and elbow scored as a matter of routine before breeding and any dog with a score over 10 (or below "good" in the US) should be stripped of their reproductice apparatus immediately.

I bred my dog because she was an excellent example of her breed, and she proved my decision right a dozen times over in her offspring, who have both show ring and field trial champions among their number.

*edit* I have to add that I only bred when I, a family member or a very close friend particularly wanted a pup, and I had a waiting list for my puppies, a lot of whom never got one bred by me, but several of whom now have grandsons and daughters bred by other people.

[Tankstar]

Nope I wouldnt even consider breeding my dog. he is from a pet store so in the long run from a puppy mill. he is so far from breed standard it is crazy. I would be doing the breed no justive by breeding him. He isnt neuterd, but that is becuase he has a bad heart, so I decided not to take the risk of surgery with him and just keep him intact. Its a big responsibility to make sure he doesnt get any females, but I will make sure he does not. We live in a house with no other dogs, only dogs he ses are at the dog park, and no females in heat are allowed so we are pretty safe. Breeding should be left to people trying to better the breed and doing all the tests and shows they can do to PROVE their dogs are good enough to be breed. Not even champion is worth ect. All these back yard breeders are disgusting. They make me want to ****. On another horse forum I go on seems like almost all of them on there breed, lots breed what ever they can find (mutts and such) and just put them together, its sickening. I have been suspended from there so many times for opening my mouth and saying how gross they all were lol

[riderofthehorse]

i actually posted one about breeding, and don't worry. Popsicle has a wonderful temperment, is a great example of the breed, and was bred to another good dog. we may get some show dogs out of the litter actually. we did our homework before deciding to breed. and i agree, i don't like people who breed for profit only while having no idea what they are doing.

[riderofthehorse]

oh yeah, we had all the tests done too.