[Endorphins4u2]

Is it safe to come out now?

Anyway, the horse's in the pics are actually just sitting there relaxed, the endorphins stopped flowing as soon as I let the reins go. In 5 mins I had there trust any they didn't really care what I did, they can get up anytime they want.

A lot of them have a roll in the sand before they get up..

I was think of a funny pic or a nice pic to use but didn't really have any ideas, I can put a pillow under their head and cover them with a blanket if you want, If you want to see something you couldn't normally do, please tell me and I see what I can do..I can get clearer photo's ok..

You don't have to try any of this ok, I will do it and send you the pic..

I will also tell you how I used this in training..see ya soon..

[Endorphins4u2]

not again...

see ya !!

[Caterina]

just remember you arnt allowed to join this forum for teh sole purpose of insulting a member....

the horse world is made up of all types of people, and almsot all of them we wont agree with...

In some instances I could see how the "full" and "half" tap could come in handy, and I can see how it can have the opposite effect.

Who cares that the OP said on other forums, this forum isn't that forum, and we're trying to be a little more open-minded.

Originally Posted by bearxfoo

I just thought you guys should know..

He posted the EXACT same post on the HI forums.

Some of the things he mentioned were really disturbing to say the least.

The post doesn't exsist anymore, because we had a moderator close, delete it and ban him.

He said this "tap" thing "dopes up" the horse to make training easier.
After tons of people told him that's NOT how you train a horse, and we told him it was inhumane, he went on to insult our horse knownledge, and call simple pleasures in life, such as barrel racing (and even eating chocolates and horses in movies) inhumane. He also said that bucking brancos, and spurs were inhumane, and he insulted natural horsemenship and many, many other things.

Yet it was okay for him to "dope up" a horse to train it? A yearling, none the less, which he claimed needed to be trained in one day for racing.

I wish I would've known sooner he was posting here, because before the topic was deleted, I would've shown you guys.

What he's advertising is an inhumane, cheap, "easy" way to literally dope up a horse with it's own endorphins, released forcefully to "train".

But you can see where we requested to have it closed (a person also said he was posting here, which is why I came here to tell you guys that this person is sick and he's just trying to advertise a horse product to people and he should be banned from your forums):

I think you guys should do the right thing before it gets more out of hand and somebody really does try this with an unbroke yearling and finds themselves laying in a hospital bed or worse, burying their horse.

[PaintedPNH]

bearxfoo...

it is against the rules to post links to other forums in the open forum. Please delete your link or this thread will most likely be closed.

Thank you

[Moostang]

Originally Posted by bearxfoo

I just thought you guys should know..

He posted the EXACT same post on the HI forums.

Some of the things he mentioned were really disturbing to say the least.

The post doesn't exsist anymore, because we had a moderator close, delete it and ban him.

He said this "tap" thing "dopes up" the horse to make training easier.
After tons of people told him that's NOT how you train a horse, and we told him it was inhumane, he went on to insult our horse knownledge, and call simple pleasures in life, such as barrel racing (and even eating chocolates and horses in movies) inhumane. He also said that bucking brancos, and spurs were inhumane, and he insulted natural horsemenship and many, many other things.

Yet it was okay for him to "dope up" a horse to train it? A yearling, none the less, which he claimed needed to be trained in one day for racing.

I wish I would've known sooner he was posting here, because before the topic was deleted, I would've shown you guys.

What he's advertising is an inhumane, cheap, "easy" way to literally dope up a horse with it's own endorphins, released forcefully to "train".

But you can see where we requested to have it closed (a person also said he was posting here, which is why I came here to tell you guys that this person is sick and he's just trying to advertise a horse product to people and he should be banned from your forums):

I think you guys should do the right thing before it gets more out of hand and somebody really does try this with an unbroke yearling and finds themselves laying in a hospital bed or worse, burying their horse.

We are not going to ban him based on his history on another forum. We have allowed this thread to continue on because we do allow good debates. This thread has educated people as to both sides of the issue. Although everyone may not agree with everything he is doing, people can learn from what he has done and possible modify his techniques and use them in an emergency case.
Now if you joined this forum just to come on here and bash this user then you have joined for the wrong reason and you are missing out on something great. We like users to see all sides of an issue if possible. You may want to spend some time on reading other posts on the forum to see how it works around here.

[bearxfoo]

I wasn't bashing him. I was just letting you guys know what he's said and what he's probably going to say. Although he bashed us and he already said some rude comments here, so...

Sorry about posting the link to the other forum, didn't know it was against rules, I was just trying to help. If you don't want my help, than fine, I wont help. It was just a friendly "tip" to let you guys know what's going on with this person.

[Peg D]

Bearxfoo, Just please stop already.

[Toredano]

Originally Posted by Endorphins4u2

At the moment there is nothing to buy, it at the site to view for free. I just left some stuff off.

You can use your own bridle,

Just turn your horse's head around and wait..thats all

BUT.. why do you want to charge people then for it? if its JUST that easy?

If its THAT easy .. why are you trying to sell this " Idea" then?

I just dont buy alot of this. Some posts contradict themselfs.....

There is a su.cker born every minute !!

[Endorphins4u2]

Because I have a family to feed like a lot of other hard working horse people that don't have the support of a sponsor, my wife gets my pay and this was just some pocket money for me if it worked out. But because people were bashing it without even seeing it, I had to forget the money and post it for free hoping people would see it isn't babaric like the other post bashed it as being.

Also, I wasn't bashing their sports at all, I was comparing the stress levels of putting a flank strap on a horse for 8 seconds or just standing beside the horse and turning the horse's head for 8 seconds and they thought the flank strap was less stressful ...

Then some of them complained because they lost the debate and got me kicked off before I can defend myself. I know a lot of people were reading that thread too and wished the moderator asked the readers for a vote before they decided, some of those readers will miss the chance to follow what I have learnt about the endorphins which not many people know about including vets reading this, because the study is still very new..

I would like to thank these moderators for their fair assessment on this whole thing...

I sorry, but I really need some sleep. I've been going for days trying to justify my method... I will tell you more tomorrow

Goodnight all

[cuteltlcowgurl]

hey i'm not a teen!! im 30 ! and you still didnt answer my question! how many times do you have to do this before the horse responds the right way when not under this? and you dont have to do it anymore? gosh i told you in an early post i was sorry and even said here on this mb that i hoped they'd give you a chance! and you still put me down and insulted me! gee wizzzz