Do I have all of my color possibilities right?

prettyqtrs · 06-23-2006, 07:45 AM

Do i have all of my color possibilities right?

Grulla (EE aa NN) x Dun (Ee Aa NN)

Bay
Black
Dun
Grulla

With a 50% chance of being homozygous black.

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Buckskin (EE Aa N/Cr) x Dun (Ee Aa NN)

Black
Bay
Buckskin
Dun
Grulla
Smokey Black

With a 50% chance of being homozygous black.

******************************************
Dun (Ee Aa NN) x Sorrel (ee Aa NN) + we think he is also rabicino

Bay
Black
Dun
Grulla
Red Dun
Sorrel

and any of those colors have a chance of being rabicino, right?

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Buckskin (EE AA N/Cr) x Perlino (Ee Aa Cr) + believed to carry the dun gene

Buckskin
Dun w/ creme (Dunskin/Buckskin-Dun)
Perlino
Perlino w/ dun (Perlino-Dun)

Witha 50% chance of being homozygous black.

Do I have it right?

Blistering Winds · 06-23-2006, 08:05 AM

First question...is the Grulla and dun homozygous or heterozygous in your figurings?

prettyqtrs · 06-23-2006, 08:08 AM

In the first cross, the grulla is homozygous black, the dun is heterozygous black. Both are heterozygous dun. And, neither carry the cream gene.

Does that answer your question?

Blistering Winds · 06-23-2006, 08:09 AM

Yep...hold up....

prettyqtrs · 06-23-2006, 08:10 AM

Okay........

Blistering Winds · 06-23-2006, 08:14 AM

Grulla (EE aa NN Dd) x Dun (Ee Aa NN Dd)

Bay
Black
Dun With 25% chance of throwing homozygous ability DD
Grulla With 25% chance of throwing homozygous ability DD

With a 50% chance of being homozygous black. (but the A can trump the Black expression)

******************************************
Buckskin (EE Aa N/Cr dd) x Dun (Ee Aa NN Dd)

Black
Bay
Buckskin
Dun
Grulla
Smokey Black
Creamy Dun

With a 50% chance of being homozygous black. With a 50% chance of being homozygous black. (but the A can trump the Black expression)

******************************************
Dun (Ee Aa NN Dd) x Sorrel (ee Aa NN dd) + we think he is also rabicino

Bay
Black
Dun
Grulla
Red Dun
Sorrel

and any of those colors have a chance of being rabicino, right?

******************************************
Buckskin (EE AA N/Cr) x Perlino (Ee Aa Cr) + Dd believed to carry the dun gene

Buckskin
Dun w/ creme (Dunskin/Buckskin-Dun)
Perlino
Perlino w/ dun (Perlino-Dun)

Witha 50% chance of being homozygous black.

I just added some extra notes mostly....

prettyqtrs · 06-23-2006, 08:17 AM

Thanks a bunch!

But I did pretty much have everything right, yes?

And, is that right with the rabicino--I could get any of those colors + rabicino?

Blistering Winds · 06-23-2006, 08:22 AM

not sure how rabicino works..if it is recessive or not

Jband will be on here in a bit.....she might know.

Just if you get a bay, the horse MAY still be homozygous black. But has the Agouti gene nailing the black expression.

You may get a Brown too....I'm still trying to figure out those genetics. I can't get a straight answer anywhere how "BROWN" is formed. It is Black with Agouti. May be homozygous black and agouti or double agouti? I gave up for a few days trying to figure it out as I get several different answers from sources.

So don't count Brown out....

prettyqtrs · 06-23-2006, 08:26 AM

Thanks BW for all of your help!

I'll have to ask JBandRio about the rabicino.

Yeah, I'm not sure how brown is formed/works either. I don't usually write it out in my possibilities, but always have it in the back of my mind.

Thanks again!

Solsalia · 06-23-2006, 08:32 AM

Okay, what's grulla, does that have to do with the dun gene? LIke a black with dun? I haven't figured out the definition for that one yet.

06-23-2006, 07:45 AM	#1
prettyqtrs Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,905	Do I have all of my color possibilities right? Do i have all of my color possibilities right? Grulla (EE aa NN) x Dun (Ee Aa NN) Bay Black Dun Grulla With a 50% chance of being homozygous black. **************************************** Buckskin (EE Aa N/Cr) x Dun (Ee Aa NN) Black Bay Buckskin Dun Grulla Smokey Black With a 50% chance of being homozygous black. ************************************** Dun (Ee Aa NN) x Sorrel (ee Aa NN) + we think he is also rabicino Bay Black Dun Grulla Red Dun Sorrel and any of those colors have a chance of being rabicino, right? ************************************** Buckskin (EE AA N/Cr) x Perlino (Ee Aa Cr) + believed to carry the dun gene Buckskin Dun w/ creme (Dunskin/Buckskin-Dun) Perlino Perlino w/ dun (Perlino-Dun) Witha 50% chance of being homozygous black. Do I have it right? __________________ ~Meg~ Poco Pine King "Poco" - '91 Sorrel Overo Paint Gelding * MF Bold as Gold "BG" - '95 Palomino QH Mare * Star Bucks Bonanza "Star" - '00 Buckskin QH Mare * Mainly Deville "Deville" - '04 Dun QH Mare Last edited by prettyqtrs; 06-23-2006 at 02:40 PM.

06-23-2006, 08:05 AM	#2
Blistering Winds Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Augusta, Kansas Posts: 31,724 Images: 814 Blog Entries: 16	First question...is the Grulla and dun homozygous or heterozygous in your figurings? __________________ 20 lb club: New year Start: 175 Goal: 130 Current: 158 Total loss this year 17 lbs.

06-23-2006, 08:08 AM	#3
prettyqtrs Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,905	In the first cross, the grulla is homozygous black, the dun is heterozygous black. Both are heterozygous dun. And, neither carry the cream gene. Does that answer your question? __________________ ~Meg~ Poco Pine King "Poco" - '91 Sorrel Overo Paint Gelding * MF Bold as Gold "BG" - '95 Palomino QH Mare * Star Bucks Bonanza "Star" - '00 Buckskin QH Mare *** Mainly Deville "Deville" - '04 Dun QH Mare

06-23-2006, 08:09 AM	#4
Blistering Winds Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Augusta, Kansas Posts: 31,724 Images: 814 Blog Entries: 16	Yep...hold up.... __________________ 20 lb club: New year Start: 175 Goal: 130 Current: 158 Total loss this year 17 lbs.

06-23-2006, 08:10 AM	#5
prettyqtrs Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,905	Okay........ __________________ ~Meg~ Poco Pine King "Poco" - '91 Sorrel Overo Paint Gelding * MF Bold as Gold "BG" - '95 Palomino QH Mare * Star Bucks Bonanza "Star" - '00 Buckskin QH Mare *** Mainly Deville "Deville" - '04 Dun QH Mare

06-23-2006, 08:14 AM	#6
Blistering Winds Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Augusta, Kansas Posts: 31,724 Images: 814 Blog Entries: 16	Grulla (EE aa NN Dd) x Dun (Ee Aa NN Dd) Bay Black Dun With 25% chance of throwing homozygous ability DD Grulla With 25% chance of throwing homozygous ability DD With a 50% chance of being homozygous black. (but the A can trump the Black expression) **************************************** Buckskin (EE Aa N/Cr dd) x Dun (Ee Aa NN Dd) Black Bay Buckskin Dun Grulla Smokey Black Creamy Dun With a 50% chance of being homozygous black. With a 50% chance of being homozygous black. (but the A can trump the Black expression) ************************************** Dun (Ee Aa NN Dd) x Sorrel (ee Aa NN dd) + we think he is also rabicino Bay Black Dun Grulla Red Dun Sorrel and any of those colors have a chance of being rabicino, right? **************************************** Buckskin (EE AA N/Cr) x Perlino (Ee Aa Cr) + Dd believed to carry the dun gene Buckskin Dun w/ creme (Dunskin/Buckskin-Dun) Perlino Perlino w/ dun (Perlino-Dun) Witha 50% chance of being homozygous black. I just added some extra notes mostly.... __________________ 20 lb club: New year Start: 175 Goal: 130 Current: 158 Total loss this year 17 lbs.

06-23-2006, 08:17 AM	#7
prettyqtrs Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,905	Thanks a bunch! But I did pretty much have everything right, yes? And, is that right with the rabicino--I could get any of those colors + rabicino? __________________ ~Meg~ Poco Pine King "Poco" - '91 Sorrel Overo Paint Gelding * MF Bold as Gold "BG" - '95 Palomino QH Mare * Star Bucks Bonanza "Star" - '00 Buckskin QH Mare *** Mainly Deville "Deville" - '04 Dun QH Mare

06-23-2006, 08:22 AM	#8
Blistering Winds Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Augusta, Kansas Posts: 31,724 Images: 814 Blog Entries: 16	not sure how rabicino works..if it is recessive or not Jband will be on here in a bit.....she might know. Just if you get a bay, the horse MAY still be homozygous black. But has the Agouti gene nailing the black expression. You may get a Brown too....I'm still trying to figure out those genetics. I can't get a straight answer anywhere how "BROWN" is formed. It is Black with Agouti. May be homozygous black and agouti or double agouti? I gave up for a few days trying to figure it out as I get several different answers from sources. So don't count Brown out.... __________________ 20 lb club: New year Start: 175 Goal: 130 Current: 158 Total loss this year 17 lbs.

06-23-2006, 08:26 AM	#9
prettyqtrs Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,905	Thanks BW for all of your help! I'll have to ask JBandRio about the rabicino. Yeah, I'm not sure how brown is formed/works either. I don't usually write it out in my possibilities, but always have it in the back of my mind. Thanks again! __________________ ~Meg~ Poco Pine King "Poco" - '91 Sorrel Overo Paint Gelding * MF Bold as Gold "BG" - '95 Palomino QH Mare * Star Bucks Bonanza "Star" - '00 Buckskin QH Mare *** Mainly Deville "Deville" - '04 Dun QH Mare

06-23-2006, 08:32 AM	#10
Solsalia Senior Member+ Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Idaho Posts: 1,959 Images: 128 Blog Entries: 7	Okay, what's grulla, does that have to do with the dun gene? LIke a black with dun? I haven't figured out the definition for that one yet.

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