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    At the end of the blog he says plainly "this is my statement".

    Quoted for posterity in case he sobers up/calms down / realizes how much of an arrogant dbag he wounds like...

    First of all, this is nobody's business other than mine and the horse's owner. If people would pay more attention to their own lives, their own horses and their own problems, the world would be a much better place. But there are too many looky-lous and sticky beaks that want to stick their nose in and stir up trouble when there's no trouble to be stirred up.

    #1 People need to get a grip on themselves. Animals die. Humans die. It's called life. In fact, there's this bumper sticker that was invented that says "s*** happens." People put it on the back of their bumpers because that's what happens in life. It's called s*** and it happens. Sometimes it's somebody's fault, but a lot of times it's nobody's fault. Again, it's referred to as s*** happens.

    #2 It's unfortunate that the horse died. Reality is we don't know how he died because the owner didn't want to get an autopsy. Horses die at my ranch. Yes, it's called life. We have 60 horses on the ranch, we have dogs and we even have cats. In fact, we had a cat fight in the barn last week, and one of them died. Shocking, yes. It's called life. Animals die. Yes, even Clinton Anderson's animals die. It's called life. I know this is shocking to know that as good as I am and as popular as I am and as famous as I am, my animals don't live forever either. Holy s*** , I must be human. For any moron that's getting his panties in a wad because a horse died at Clinton Anderson's ranch, get a life.

    #3 It's unfortunate that the owner had to go and start this whole fire because I'm the one that has to go put it out. I've apologized to the owner; it's not my fault the horse died. It's not the owner's fault the horse died either. We don't know how it died. We believe it had something to do with either a brain aneurism or a heart attack because it died extremely quickly and there was no struggling involved. Reality is it was the owner's choice not to get an autopsy - she didn't want to get one.

    I apologized to the owner; in fact, I've spoken with her on three separate occasions about this subject. We sent the owner flowers and we refunded all of the owner's money. I did everything I possibly could. In fact, I even offered the owner a Signature Horse free of charge. I went above and beyond to try to help her through the grieving process. A Signature Horse, with all its training, is worth $25,000. She declined the Signature Horse because she said the horse was too small. I had a horse picked out for her that was 14.1 hands high, and she didn't feel like a horse 14.1 hands high was worth having even though it was free and is worth $25,000. Just for the record, the lady is 5'9" and I'm 5'11", Mindy is 14.1. I rode Mindy in front of millions of people for 15 years and never had one email or comment that said I looked too big on Mindy. Just to set the record straight. But she didn't want the Signature Horse - no problem whatsoever. Since she didn't want the Signature Horse, I offered her the opportunity to send another horse to the ranch for the six-week program and we'd train it free of charge. Again, I went above and beyond to take care of a grieving customer.

    I bent over backwards to take care of her needs, and now I'm having to fix this kind of bulls*** and I'm tired of it. So reality is if you think your horse is going to live forever, you're an idiot. Do we do everything in our power to take care of animals on the ranch? Yes, we do. The reality is every once in a while it keeps coming back to that bumper sticker "s*** happens." So people, get a life, get out of business that doesn't involve you and start focusing on your horsemanship and your own lives. When people start doing that, they'll have a lot more success with their horses, a lot more fun and a lot less drama. If it sounds like I'm irritated and I'm cranky about this, I am. All we've done is taken an unfortunate situation and turned it into circus and absolute mess. It didn't have to go this direction. This is my statement and this whole subject is done after this.

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    But he doesn't advocate laying into horses with whips...or anything that smacks of cruelty.

    And someone that did drop in one day, just because they lived in area, found a horse about ready to drop dead from being round penned excessively.

    Pretty telling that his is one of the names that comes up when people are talking about "better ways to work with horses" not involving forcing them into something. And then this is what is really going on?

    And if he thinks subject is done with?

    He is sadly underestimating how horse people are, I think.
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    (Continued because my satanphone does stupid things when the posts get too long)

    Horrible handling of this situation by the ca camp. As a professional, you ensure there is a necropsy done. This is for everyone's benefit. The only way I would ever ever allow an owner to pass on a necropsy for a horse that died in my care was if I knew there was something negligent that happened to cause the death.

    Horses do die in training. Things happen. This is true. But walking over to find a horse dead and not investigating further is highly suspect. This whole "oh well, things happen" attitude is arrogant and disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IIIBarsV View Post
    As for the horse exchange idea... why would someone who just lost their 16.2 Friesian and who breeds/raises Spanish Norman horses want to deal with the hassle of marketing a 14.1hh western horse? That's like taking someone's imported Hanoverian, it dies under odd circumstances, and then offering to replace it with a good rope horse. Let's be real. LOL A horse is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it on the day they buy it.

    $25k today.... tomorrow it injures itself and suddenly it's a $2k horse.
    If I sent a horse to a famous trainer, signed a contract to where the trainer isn't liable should my horse die in their care...and that horse ends up dying. The trainer doesn't have to offer me anything based on the contract, but a refund and on top of that the trainer offers and says here, take one of my well trained signature horses. To me, I don't really care what discipline or breed it was. If I could recoup some of my costs reselling the horse, personally, I would take it. Marketing a well trained horse from a famous trainer's "signature horse" program shouldn't be difficult. Just my opinion.

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    Only thing that I can say about CA regarding this is that the statement was extremely immature but then again i'd probably say the same thing if I jumped through hoops for the owner and she still attempted to smear my reputation. She shelled out thousands for this horse in training and refused to get a necropsy but wants to go on FB and badmouth him? Nope not buying it one bit..

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    Signature horse is worth 25,000.00? Who is he trying to kid?

    Please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luvmygang View Post
    GIVE ME A BREAK!! I met a guy at a sorting that had one of Clinton's Signature horses and I have to say it was a really, really nice horse. Soft and supple and NO, it wasn't over bent or backed off in the face. Just a plain nice horse that went into the sorting pen, first time out, and listened to the rider, didn't freak and did his job.
    Wow....no need to go Rambo on me! The whole gimmicky "Signature" thing....is it supposed to mean the horse is special in some way? Call it what it is....a trained horse...period. Slap the word Signature on it....because it's Clinton Anderson....and all of a sudden the price tag goes up? I just have to laugh at all the little nifty marketing ploys by Clinton and the like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KW Farms View Post
    If I sent a horse to a famous trainer, signed a contract to where the trainer isn't liable should my horse die in their care...and that horse ends up dying. The trainer doesn't have to offer me anything based on the contract, but a refund and on top of that the trainer offers and says here, take one of my well trained signature horses. To me, I don't really care what discipline or breed it was. If I could recoup some of my costs reselling the horse, personally, I would take it. Marketing a well trained horse from a famous trainer's "signature horse" program shouldn't be difficult. Just my opinion.
    In a lot of the NON-Clinton circles....that horse would be difficult to sell. You would have to sell it to one of his followers. I understand what you are saying, but the owner was not into western horses and wanted a taller horse! I guess to her...the price tag of a horse that CLINTON says is worth 25K (which is purely subjective coming from him)....was not worth what she lost. And who's to say the horse is well trained? Oh ya...Clinton does...LOL.
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    Isn't he the fool that has the new DVD set, (2 of them) on fixing a bolting horse? Well, wonder if being dead is how he fixes it?

    As for his signature horse? Whoopee.

    We turn out nice, soft, responsive horses at our barn, trainer can take pretty much a 25 dollar horse and do that easily...so does that make it worth 25,000???

    Let me call him and tell him that....

    I bet he could get 75, 000 for his, because his name is all over 'net as having shown and won over and over...as do his clients...so the sky is the limit.

    And I have known ASB trainers that make CA look like an idiot.

    Which I think he is, already did, but this statement? Takes the cake.
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    I'm not ready to blame him for what happened, but his response is petulant and ridiculous. There are LOTS of good people who can help you if you're having problems with your horse. LOTS of good people who won't take all your money. LOTS of good people who can react to an accident and blowback like an adult.
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