[Blistering Winds]

Originally Posted by kizmet

Its hard to discuss without information!!!! we cant tell anything positive from this picture! I feel it is aimed at provocing a reaction to be mocked later! thats only my opinion mind you

If you cannot see anything POSITIVE in that picture, then you are ignorant to that method.

And one of the points she is wanting to make with this thread. It is a situation, a horse, and a method you are obviously not knowledgeable in

Nothing against you for not knowing, however you should not pass judgement on the picture, just because you do not have the knowledge to know and see the very huge benefits to this method...

[Jennie'sPassion]

Ok just give me the condensed soup version please...with sugar on top.

[kizmet]

Originally Posted by Blistering Winds

If you cannot see anything POSITIVE in that picture, then you are ignorant to that method.

And one of the points she is wanting to make with this thread. It is a situation, a horse, and a method you are obviously not knowledgeable in

Nothing against you for not knowing, however you should not pass judgement on the picture, just because you do not have the knowledge to know and see the very huge benefits to this method...

Wasnt it aimed at us ignoramases? I admit i dont know and have asked repetadly to be enlightened but as yet nothing, just some comment about a rope, hanging and something about a small mind i cant remember there is only so much my wee brain can take in!!!!

[Banat]

Originally Posted by Blistering Winds

And why someone should ask more in depth, instead of going just off the picture.

There is more to it than what you think.

Your experience may not have included this horse's experiences. And you do not know what had and had not been tried.

One of the points she is getting at, is to TALK before making judgement.

I don't need to ask a question, in depth or not, to see the horse is not relieving the pressure on its poll.

Here's a question, how many pounds per square inch applied behind the skull does it take before a body fails?

[kizmet]

Originally Posted by banat

I don't need to ask a question, in depth or not, to see the horse is not relieving the pressure on its poll.

Here's a question, how many pounds per square inch applied behind the skull does it take before a body fails?

owwww good question!!!!!!!

[JumpingBean]

*Gollum voice* It BURNSSS us Preciousss, takes it off!

DB is obviously cruelly using elvish rope on a poor little Smeagol-horse.


Yeah, I'm a nerd. But I'm waiting anxiously for the real answer, too.

[Mary6478]

Isn't you tying a horse to the waggon kinda the same as tying him in the corner of the stall...except for the fact that you want the horse to walk with the wagon and realize his space and pressure means "MOVE" and no pressure means "I can do this" in the horses head.

PRESSURE has to be the answer!!


BTW: I saw the picture for the first time and laughed!! HaHa. I found it very entertaining!!

Most people do not understand how calm cow horses really are!!! I am use to my jumper/hunters that are wacko and I believe most ppl are and if you own a horse like that do NOT tie him to the fence with a bit, but if you have a chilled horse that has grown up doing that then there is no problem b/c as you said they are level headed.

[kizmet]

Originally Posted by Mary6478

Isn't you tying a horse to the waggon kinda the same as tying him in the corner of the stall...except for the fact that you want the horse to walk with the wagon and realize his space and pressure means "MOVE" and no pressure means "I can do this" in the horses head.

PRESSURE has to be the answer!!


BTW: I saw the picture for the first time and laughed!! HaHa. I found it very entertaining!!

Most people do not understand how calm cow horses really are!!! I am use to my jumper/hunters that are wacko and I believe most ppl are and if you own a horse like that do NOT tie him to the fence with a bit, but if you have a chilled horse that has grown up doing that then there is no problem b/c as you said they are level headed.

and obviously long knecked!!!! lol

[doublebarr]

OK, got it. Now, please carefully read the entire thing from this thread:
Driving Horses from the Show-Me State

This is very seldom what happens when you get a totally stubborn one that was started by someone else. Blue was a 6 year old mare that came to us through a sale. We tried everything nice with her to bring her round and finally resorted to just tying her on and letting her pull against the team. (Not something I would normally recomend, but sometimes nothing else will work) Didn't get her anywhere to fight it and by the third time she was tied to the waggon and team, she settled in and led off fine. By the second week of following the wagon, you could untie her and she would stay right on the back right side of the wagon all on her own. Funny now, but because of the height of the tie, it could be something that would end in a wreck. This was only used as a last resort with the full knowledge that if it didn't work, she would be on a quick road to the killer market as she was not suited as anything but a cowboy mount. She had come from a bucking string and could eventually hold a cow, but you never knew when the buck would come out. She is currently being used on a friends ranch for those loud talking cowboys who sign up and say they can ride anything. They ride her till she decides different and at least has a place with entertainment value on friends place forever, as he tells it. LOL



We worked "nice" with Blue for a full year with absolutely no advancement. She would not give in to pressure on lead. Who knows what was or was not done to her before we, or the rodeo got her. She was treated VERY well with a friends stock company, but they just avoided ever having to tie her becasue of this issue that she came with when they got her as a 3 year old. She was not a straight bucker and would just run most of the time, so she would not ever make it as a rodeo horse. We were her last stop before the kill pen.

Extreme training, yes, but an extreme situation. Had it not worked, after a year of not only I, but many other very good horsemen trying everything under the sun (including a NH trainer that I think well of) this WAS the last resort for her. Would it have been kinder to take her to the killers? She was not mean or nasty, you could pet her out in the pasture, put a saddle on her, but try and work her and nothing got through. This did, and she is still alive, healthy, happy and NOT BRED! I cannot see where abuse ever entered into the equation. Horse power against horse power. Pretty close to NH. Horses teaching horses lessons. (I'm just kidding on that last part, couldn't resist. )

[Blistering Winds]

Originally Posted by banat

I don't need to ask a question, in depth or not, to see the horse is not relieving the pressure on its poll.

Here's a question, how many pounds per square inch applied behind the skull does it take before a body fails?

and if the horse refuses to relieve himself of that pressure....who's fault is it????

When is it "Time" to release the pressure?

This is a "MOMENT IN TIME"

You do not know if she took this picture immediately after he set back and immediately after she stopped, he stopped and relieved himself of the pressure.

You don't know anything about the situation...until you take 2 seconds and ask about it before passing judgement.

I can take a pic of just about anyone, in the wrong moment, and call that person a horse abuser.

Just because of a moment in time that just doesn't look right.