[doublebarr]

Originally Posted by kellidahorsegirl

Cindy,,,,you said she was bucking stock correct? After reading your response a couple posts up.....do you think she cracked her head in a chute at some point and so was overlly sensitive to her poll pressure because of that (even if the injury had healed and been checked by a vet?).

Did you ever use a neck rope, like a collar on her ever?

She came to the stock contractor that way at 3 years old. They got her because of her bucking undersaddle and the fact that she would throw herself down when attemping to lead her. That was in a previous post I put up.

Not only did we try a neck collar, I started with trying the rope just like I typed out to Banat in the previous post. I could lead her with her legs, but nothing around the head area at all! Just like I said in my response to Banat just before this.

[doublebarr]

Originally Posted by kellidahorsegirl

The strange part is: I believe I stated in my first post in this thread that I was not opposed to the method that cindy chose to use.
I came in here to stick up for the folks who disagreed and were condemned because of it.

Yet you jumped all over me saying I expected everyone to "bow down before me????????????"

I condemned no one who dissagrees with the method. I heartly dislike the way many went about it. They did not say, well It's not something I'm comfortable with and stop there. They continued on and said it should not have been done. Ok, if it should not have been done, then give me a viable alternative relative to the full situation.

And there were others that said something else should have been tried, but did not ask to see if what they thought might work HAD been tried and failed.

ALL I WANTED WAS FOR PEOPLE, SHOOT, never mind. It's been said before and gotten nowhere then too.

[Blistering Winds]

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[bay_blnd jmpr07]

I've been following this thread since it started but never said anything because I've never had to deal with anything even CLOSE to this problem.

But somewhere deep down I believe Cindy and believe she did everything she could and that was her last resort.

Agree to disagree.

This whole thread, to me, has seemed to be all about jumping all over everyone. So you don't agree with someone's method. So disagree, but I see no reason to go on and on about it.

Is it dangerous? Sure...Is the horse ok? Yeah..."It's always ok until something goes wrong"...that goes for everything. Trailering's fine until the trailer flips over, jumping's fine until the horse takes a wrong step, tying's fine until the horse totally freaks out for who knows why, running in a pasture is fine until the foal slips and hits its head on a mineral block and dies(true story...)

All horses are different. Same methods can be used and maybe with just a little change to the method each time. Some horses are SO different totally different ways need to be used to deal with an issue.

Cindy's whole point to this thread was for people to ask questions and grasp what the story was before passing judgement on something that "looks" questionable. Remember that old saying "Don't judge a book by its cover." That's what Cindy was trying to do.

And just one last thing...The picture with the drafts at a stop and the horse still pulling...I see no difference right there then when I tied Legz up and let her to deal with it on her own..and man did that mini pull, looked just like that mare. And she's a perfect little tyer now. Mars has done the same a time or two.

[wyldterv]

Originally Posted by kellidahorsegirl

Considering this thread was about Cindy and her horse, it isn't relevant what you do with your horses. How did you end up with a horse like that if you had limited space and 'incorrect' facilities for him? Did you just not know til he got there? (really asking here)

The point that you succinctly missed was NOT that this thread was directly about Cindy and her horse, it was about NOT ASSUMING THINGS

OH and incase you're under a mis-impression, I do not have INCORRECT facilites for a Wild Horse at all, I have very corrret safe facilities for keeping one, hence why I have passed personal BLM sight inspectors with more then flying colors and they've asked if I'd consider temp housing others in the past (the answer was sorry, one is work enough!) 95% of all Mustangs can be easily fence broke and assimilate to being in a 'normal' fencing system after enough ground work and introduction done in a proper manner. We did every single thing recommended by several expert Mustang people since I knew I was NOT an expert in dealing with a Mustang (Which is 1,000% different then dealing with a horse that is domesticated, their not bad, mind you, just very different and need to be dealt with somewhat differently to prevent total train wrecks)... He's been worked with by a few incredlbe trainers and we are consistently told by experts that he's that 1% of Mustangs which is just hard to remove the wild from and he may never be there... There is no way to know that in advance when adopting one. I have a 4 stall horse barn and 5 acres, so I'm not talking about having a 1/6 acre lot but you said that people need to be prepared to keep a horse for a pasture puff that can not be trained or safely dealt with in any other manner... SO what do you do with a horse like Poncho that can NOT go out in large Pasture??? VEERRRRRY few people will have 5' or taller Steele Pipe or wood fencing for acres and acres which is the only fencing he will stay behind. And yes many many MANY things have been tried with him and I'm always open to new ideas because we DO have nothing but his best interest at heart, hence why he's still with us and not just given to the first person who THINKS they can deal with him but whom has zero experience in dealing with a wild horse.

[kizmet]

Originally Posted by wyldterv

The point that you succinctly missed was NOT that this thread was directly about Cindy and her horse, it was about NOT ASSUMING THINGS

OH and incase you're under a mis-impression, I do not have INCORRECT facilites for a Wild Horse at all, I have very corrret safe facilities for keeping one, hence why I have passed personal BLM sight inspectors with more then flying colors and they've asked if I'd consider temp housing others in the past (the answer was sorry, one is work enough!) 95% of all Mustangs can be easily fence broke and assimilate to being in a 'normal' fencing system after enough ground work and introduction done in a proper manner. We did every single thing recommended by several expert Mustang people since I knew I was NOT an expert in dealing with a Mustang (Which is 1,000% different then dealing with a horse that is domesticated, their not bad, mind you, just very different and need to be dealt with somewhat differently to prevent total train wrecks)... He's been worked with by a few incredlbe trainers and we are consistently told by experts that he's that 1% of Mustangs which is just hard to remove the wild from and he may never be there... There is no way to know that in advance when adopting one. I have a 4 stall horse barn and 5 acres, so I'm not talking about having a 1/6 acre lot but you said that people need to be prepared to keep a horse for a pasture puff that can not be trained or safely dealt with in any other manner... SO what do you do with a horse like Poncho that can NOT go out in large Pasture??? VEERRRRRY few people will have 5' or taller Steele Pipe or wood fencing for acres and acres which is the only fencing he will stay behind. And yes many many MANY things have been tried with him and I'm always open to new ideas because we DO have nothing but his best interest at heart, hence why he's still with us and not just given to the first person who THINKS they can deal with him but whom has zero experience in dealing with a wild horse.

I dont get how it was not about assuming things! Some people still disagree with it even though they know all the facts it is an Extreme measure that many would not take in any circumstances!!!! That is not about assuming it is judgement in light of the facts. No one is just assuming this is dangerous. IT IS!! you could easily kill this horse no doubt about it.

[wyldterv]

Originally Posted by kizmet

I dont get how it was not about assuming things! Some people still disagree with it even though they know all the facts it is an Extreme measure that many would not take in any circumstances!!!! That is not about assuming it is judgement in light of the facts. No one is just assuming this is dangerous. IT IS!! you could easily kill this horse no doubt about it.

You either "GET IT" when you read the first few posts, or I guess you don't... Perhaps it was not typed clearly enough??? Cindy posted in her own words that her true point of the thread was, before you jump to all kinds of conclusions about anything, you should ask a lot of questions... That was the true POINT of the thread

I for one did not say it is wrong to disagree with the methodology, but that was not the true point of the entire thread (although almost NO HGS Thread stays fully on topic even the 'happy' ones ) Also, I personally respect someone a lot more who can say, I don't think this is a tactic I personally would use, I think I'd try XYZ first, instead of just saying "there are other things you can try"... OK maybe there are other things a person can try, but if you don't share what those 'things' are, who are any of the rest of us to learn about them????

[Blistering Winds]

who are any of the rest of us to learn about them????

through the power of meditation.....

or is it osmosis...

or meiosis??

or is it walletosis??

Well needed break my rear end Wyld....

You call this thread a break>????

[kizmet]

Originally Posted by wyldterv

You either "GET IT" when you read the first few posts, or I guess you don't... Perhaps it was not typed clearly enough??? Cindy posted in her own words that her true point of the thread was, before you jump to all kinds of conclusions about anything, you should ask a lot of questions... That was the true POINT of the thread

I for one did not say it is wrong to disagree with the methodology, but that was not the true point of the entire thread (although almost NO HGS Thread stays fully on topic even the 'happy' ones ) Also, I personally respect someone a lot more who can say, I don't think this is a tactic I personally would use, I think I'd try XYZ first, instead of just saying "there are other things you can try"... OK maybe there are other things a person can try, but if you don't share what those 'things' are, who are any of the rest of us to learn about them????

I know what the op said the thread was about! If it had turned out that the horse was just tied to the cart and it was stationary then we would have all been wrong for assuming it was something else however the horse was being led around by the cart and therefore it was dangerous it was exactly what we seen on the photo so our assumptions were correct!

[Blistering Winds]

What difference does it make if the cart is moving or not?

Tying to a wall, fence, ANYTHING is down right dangerous. A horse can rear up, fall down, get hurt, break legs, break necks, get caught up in the rope, the fence, things aroudn it, things that aren't CLOSE (or so you thought).....


That's IT> It is cruel to tie a horse to ANYTHING

EVERYONE must ground tie WITHOUT a lead/rein. Because the dangers to ground tie with a danglin rope are just as bad.