[Fox Glove]

When I take on a "project" horse whos only reason is to finish and sell,to further along the career of my current horse, I do understand they have a job, and it is to improve and make me money to spend on the horse that is currently at the top of the food chain

I think there are more than a few campaginers on here who do exactly that as well. I just took on a friends Morgan, a bit late in the season, but when I am done with him, he will be sold,and the money I make will go towards a German import I have my eye on. Thats how I have always moved up with mounts.

Same sort of thing I think.
Paula

[kellidahorsegirl]

Originally Posted by Haas Horse Farm

Another point I find really interesting is you say you are 24 years old and have been training horses for almost 20 years. Wow that is a long time for someone so young.

I'm glad you find that interesting. And yep, you read that correctly.

[Haas Horse Farm]

Originally Posted by kizmet

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrr yourself, am i not allowed to post on this thread at all? I feel it is personal to jump all over someone when they disagree! Why dosnt cindy just accept that for some people they would not do this method? It is called respect for others!

I do not think that Cindy is in argument about the method.... WHAT we do not agree with is this other person saying what Cindy must or must not do with the horse...

[kellidahorsegirl]

oh interesting! We never told Cindy what she MUST do with the horse. We were all asked what we would do in this situation. I responded with what I would do,,,did not tell Cindy what she should do.

[kizmet]

Originally Posted by Haas Horse Farm

I do not think that Cindy is in argument about the method.... WHAT we do not agree with is this other person saying what Cindy must or must not do with the horse...

K was just saying that there was other options available!!! Not everyone would have made the same choice!

[Haas Horse Farm]

Originally Posted by kellidahorsegirl

Cindy, you owned this horse? or were just training? (can't remember)
Another option *I* would think of when she got to the point before the cart....would be to turn her out to pasture and live her life out. This results in no 'abusive/dangerous/outside experience' measures AND rules out sending her to slaughter.

And what you will say to that is that this is a ranch and its not feasible to keep them all around..........well....I don't believe that.

Then please clairify for me how you are not telling Cindy what to do here?

[Banat]

Hi guys, I wanted to read the entire post but I only have a few minutes and I'm going to do something that I don't always feel is polite, I'm going to butt in and continue my conversation without reading all the posts because I think it's more respectful in this situation to pop in and say something than wait until I have time to read everything and let everyone think I just quit the thread.

I want to first say that the photo depicts something that involves a degree of danger to the horse- as I believe everyone agrees (correct me if I am mis speaking)

Like others have pointed out, there are different degree's of danger in everything we do.
Did the ends justify the means? Well, that's up to each individuals interpretation. The mare now leads, didn't get hurt, leads a happy useful life....

I would have used a different method. This is what I would have done-Maybe Doublebarr did something like this and it didn't work- maybe it wouldn't work for me either- I wholeheartedly believe it would- but no one can know for sure, we all have a little different timing etc....
I would have taught her to go forward in the round pen to the left and to the right, I would have taught her inside turns, outside turns, stop, look at me with both eyes and let me approach her. I would have sacked her out with my hand then with the rope. I would have let her carry the rope with it unattached and dragging to make sure she was comfortable with the rope on her and around her with her standing still and moving. I then would have put the bridle or halter on her and asked her to carry it doing inside turns, outside turns and come to me (forgot to add that step earlier) when I could "lead" her in the roundpen with nothing attaching me to her I would have used a lariet on her halter and asked for the same steps, go forward, inside turns, outside turns, come toward me, go away from me etc... When she was at the edge of the round pen I would have applied a small amount of pressure to the halter, because I already taught her to go forward I could ask her to walk forward (in a big circle around me) and keep the slack out of the rope until she put the slack in the rope by turning her head toward me (I would prefer just the head, not the whole body) With enough repetition for her to put the slack in the rope by turning her head toward me she would eventually step toward the center of the circle, if she backed up I would just keep the slack out of the rope, not applying more pressure, trying to keep the pressure even, until she accidently put the slack in the rope. From that point I would have built on having her find the release by repeating the small steps.
I don't have time to type more because I'm trying to get workers and everything organized for a show we are putting on tomorrow and getting clients horses ready as well as my own but I will be back when I can.

Like I said, I don't want anyone to think I just bailed out on the thread, but I don't have much time right now.
Also, I know it is hard sometimes to convey emotion in writing, although some are better than the rest of us I want to say everything I've posted I've meant with the utmost respect. I am not trying to be inflammatory. Even if I have a different opinion, or a different perspective or an additional perspective, I still respect and appreciate hearing everyone elses, that's how I learn

[kellidahorsegirl]

Quote:
Originally Posted by kellidahorsegirl
Cindy, you owned this horse? or were just training? (can't remember)
Another option *I* would think of when she got to the point before the cart....would be to turn her out to pasture and live her life out. This results in no 'abusive/dangerous/outside experience' measures AND rules out sending her to slaughter.

And what you will say to that is that this is a ranch and its not feasible to keep them all around..........well....I don't believe that.


Then please clairify for me how you are not telling Cindy what to do here?

I went ahead and put it in bold for you.....is that clearer?

[wyldterv]

Originally Posted by kellidahorsegirl

...And what you will say to that is that this is a ranch and its not feasible to keep them all around..........well....I don't believe that.

I guess I'm a bit confused, what do those of us with even MORE limited space and horse care resources do with a horse that can not be made safe at all??? Are we supposed to keep that horse for life waiting perhaps 20-30 yrs for it to die until we can get another one

I'm asking for a valid reason... I have a Wild Mustang that can not be turned loose into any field even with other horses, that does not have at least 5' solid fencing around it. SO instead he has to stay in a smallish paddock, not really the way I want him to live his life but the only safe way for him to.

He, so far, is not safe to handle on his hind legs even after 3.5 yrs of very hard work, including with a very good Mustang trainer. He must be sedated to do his feet. He can not be ridden because of the fact he explodes with out warning from anything that he decides is scary... His self protection instincts are beyond strong. He's a sweetie when he's not scared of things. Has never known a day of mistreatment or abuse during his tenure at trying to turn him into a domesticated horse.

I can not turn him out to even be a pasture pet, or I would... I can not get another horse for Roger to ride until I find a suitable situation for Poncho. He is a very dangerous animal unless someone is VERY experienced wtih Mustangs and even then he's still dangerous, just not VERY dangerous, IF I could ever find the RIGHT situation for him, I'd give him for free to that person... So far after 2 yrs of searching, I've not found that situation for him.

We don't have slaughter houses around here and honestly if we did, it would not be an option due to his being a BLM Mustang. What do I do, keep him confined for the rest of his life in his smaller but safe paddock for the next 20-30 yrs (he's only 6 yrs old), or do I think about euthanizing him at some point because it's not very kind to keep him in a smaller area (he can run and play in ti, but it's not a HUGE arae and there is no grazing available so he must be fed hay 356 days a year)...

It is not realisitic to put any horse that can't be safely handled as a pasture pet for a multitude of reasons



I would also like to thank Banat for at least describing what they would try as an alternative.... MAYBE it was already tried, maybe not, but Banat at least had an attempt at an alternative and it may help someone else out with a different horse.

[Haas Horse Farm]

Originally Posted by kellidahorsegirl

Quote:
Originally Posted by kellidahorsegirl
Cindy, you owned this horse? or were just training? (can't remember)
Another option *I* would think of when she got to the point before the cart....would be to turn her out to pasture and live her life out. This results in no 'abusive/dangerous/outside experience' measures AND rules out sending her to slaughter.



Then please clairify for me how you are not telling Cindy what to do here?

I went ahead and put it in bold for you.....is that clearer?

NOPE because the part I found offensive was NOT that statement but

And what you will say to that is that this is a ranch and its not feasible to keep them all around..........well....I don't believe that.