[belle4]

Kudos to you DB. You saved that horse from certain death.

[Launa]

Originally Posted by JumpsxGlory

To me pain should not be used to teach a horse a lesson. There are ways around it and maybe if more thought would have been put in, not saying you didn't think enough in the first place cindy, a better way could of been found that got you the same result. You wouldn't zap or hit your kid for doing something wrong would you?? Doubt it... I see it in the same way.

I have read this thread up to this post and thought I would throw my 2 cents worth in.

I didn't see by the picture or explaination that the horse was in any pain. Uncomfortable....yes.

And horses teach each other lessons with a certain amount of discomfort and pain by biting and kicking.

And I myself learned a lot of lessons by getting a few good ol spankings.

Cindy.... I would trust you with my horses.

[crazychickmia]

Originally Posted by doublebarr

Hmmmmm, after reading the highlighted parts, I'm still trying to figure out how to answer you without saying what I think about all this. Think I'll just pass this one on by. If you want the answers to your questions, you will have to go back and read. Don't feel like typing it twice because someone's "feelings" got in the way. I've learned more thought rough old men who don't give a dang about feelings, they care more about if your listening and paying attention. And they had knowledge worth knowing.

I didn't realise you actually explained how you trained the horse to stand in the post, when I read it I only saw the one comment "trained to shy to the end of the lead rope", and no explanation of how. That must have been in a similar post that I didn't read

Doublebarr, your posts confuse me sometimes...the comment about the rough old men, is that directed at me? If so, then I'm not sure why? *shrugs*

[Horsefeathers3]

Wow, now that I've read this entire thread, I have to say DB I applaud your persistence. Many, many of us wouldn't have stuck with it like you did, and in the end the horse benefited from all your hard work and experimenting with different methods. I do think that in this case it was necessary to get across to this horse, and I'm glad she now has a productive life. A great big kudos to you, I have much respect

[royalrox]

just finished...WOW lol

[roanypony]

Okay, well I have not read this ENTIRE thread, as I'm sure a lot of people didn't, but I don't think the one question I have has been brought up...

I don't mean to sound ignorant or rude, but... if the horse would ride, lunge, was not mean, and you could do anything BUT lead her, why would she be going to the kill pen?

Like I said, I don't mean to sound ignorant, and I know not leading or even a little pressure making a horse shut down is a BIG problem, and I know you said you tried everything for a year (I would definitely not have that much patience and probably won't in the future either, so please don't flame me) but the kill pen for that just sounds a little extreme to me.

I'm saying right now, I have basically NO experience in training horses, and I'm pretty young, so I'm not that enlightened on that many aspects of it, and, well, that's why I'm asking. If this is a really dumb question and if you get frustrated at me, I'm sorry and you don't have to answer it.

[Haas Horse Farm]

If the horse will not lead... you obviously cannot ride it or lunge it either... What part of it will not move forward is so hard to comprehend. Look up the word STUBBORN in the dictionary and there should be a photo of this horse!

How long would you keep a horse that you could not lead, move, or get to do what was asked when it was asked?

[MyBabyTex]

I had no idea what was going on in the first photos, but was a little concerned, yes. Now that I know what you were doing I feel dumb, I SHOULD have known what you were trying to accomplish. No, I don't think it is wrong. I think you are a very patient lady for waiting a full year trying to teach this horse. I'm glad to hear she is much better now.

[Fallon]

I have read most of this thread. I do have to say that a year is quite a long time to try with a horse. Kudos for doing so. I have a feeling that she tried everything under the sun and then some before doing this. The horse does not look to be in pain or suffering in the least, so I'm not sure why anyone would think that?

I have a horse here that I've been working with for just about 18 months. I still haven't got a saddle on her. Is she out of my league? Somedays I really think so, somedays I just want to throw in the towel and let her be a pasture pet, but then I'll get up the next day and go at it again. I'm not giving up lol.

I know exactly how hard it is to work with a horse who is stubborn and smart and DB should not be critisized in the least. This thread has gone so far off what DB wanted it to be.

It's not about how the horse actually was in the photo, but about the assumptions people make off of a single picture. You all made up your minds about what was going on without having a clue about what was going on or any history. That was the point of this thread.

In simplier terms, never assume anything. One picture does not make or break a horse, or anything else for that matter. One photo is not the whole picture.

Have a great weekend.

[freedom32]

Originally Posted by roanypony

Okay, well I have not read this ENTIRE thread, as I'm sure a lot of people didn't, but I don't think the one question I have has been brought up...

I don't mean to sound ignorant or rude, but... if the horse would ride, lunge, was not mean, and you could do anything BUT lead her, why would she be going to the kill pen?

Like I said, I don't mean to sound ignorant, and I know not leading or even a little pressure making a horse shut down is a BIG problem, and I know you said you tried everything for a year (I would definitely not have that much patience and probably won't in the future either, so please don't flame me) but the kill pen for that just sounds a little extreme to me.

I'm saying right now, I have basically NO experience in training horses, and I'm pretty young, so I'm not that enlightened on that many aspects of it, and, well, that's why I'm asking. If this is a really dumb question and if you get frustrated at me, I'm sorry and you don't have to answer it.

There are no dumb questions! There is only one way to learn after all.
I'm going to take the liberty of answering for Cindy here. If she were to sell this horse as it was without being shady and underhanded who would buy her? Horses with those kind of problems almost inevitably land in the kill pens or in very bad homes, usually after being passed from home to home, progressivley worse. Just stop and think for a minute how hard it would be to deal with a horse you couldn't lead or tie, and how much of everything you do with your horse that requires that.