[JumpsxGlory]

Originally Posted by Haas Horse Farm

Once again you did not read what I posted but responded emotionally. I did not say that you did not have the right to your post. WHAT I DID SAY was that you did not have the right to say we were wrong. There is a difference. On that note I am going to bed.

Just because I do not have your level of experience means I don't have the right? Maybe if I knew nothing, but I still have a right to say something and have have experience with horses, riding, etc... I also read your entire post and responded on it, not on my emotions

[PaintedPNH]

Originally Posted by JumpsxGlory

Just because I do not have your level of experience means I don't have the right? Maybe if I knew nothing, but I still have a right to say something and have have experience with horses, riding, etc... I also read your entire post and responded on it, not on my emotions

SO TELL US HOW CINDY SHOULD'VE FIXED IT.

[JumpsxGlory]

Originally Posted by Haas Horse Farm

Please elucidate on how to FIX this horse since Cindy did it wrong. That is what we have been asking and have not yet read your training method to solve this problem. If you are going to say it is not right then by all means PLEASE explain the CORRECT way to do this.

I believe I did answer your question before when I said I needed to at least work with the horse for a short period of time to get a feel. So yes, I did answer it. You cannot jump into training a horse without having a feel for them.

And by the sounds of it, the horses you are around don't let you win either.

I don't get what your saying

To me pain should not be used to teach a horse a lesson. There are ways around it and maybe if more thought would have been put in, not saying you didn't think enough in the first place cindy, a better way could of been found that got you the same result. You wouldn't zap or hit your kid for doing something wrong would you?? Doubt it... I see it in the same way.

[PaintedPNH]

Originally Posted by JumpsxGlory

I believe I did answer your question before when I said I needed to at least work with the horse for a short period of time to get a feel. So yes, I did answer it. You cannot jump into training a horse without having a feel for them.



I don't get what your saying

Well if you don't have a "feel" for this horse how can you say Cindy was wrong!?!?!?!?!?!!?

And I'm saying, you let your horses win. You probably never get on their case about anything. Like the yearling that is now just hangin out in the stall. Send him to me or HHF and you may just have a nice colt in 30 days because we do what needs to be done to get the answers we want. And this doesn't always mean being a mean scary human. Sometimes a horse needs a spur in the side and the crack of a crop or lounge whip. They need to get it into their heads that they won't get away with whatever they want. Your horses have yet to learn this lesson.

[cowgurly02]

To me, that wasn't "pain" that was "pressure". The horse was teaching HERSELF to give into that pressure.

Again, I'm not sure how that is any different than somebody tying up a horse who pulls back and just letting them go at er until they realize that it's a lot smarter and easier to stand tied.

[PaintedPNH]

Originally Posted by JumpsxGlory

To me pain should not be used to teach a horse a lesson. There are ways around it and maybe if more thought would have been put in, not saying you didn't think enough in the first place cindy, a better way could of been found that got you the same result. You wouldn't zap or hit your kid for doing something wrong would you?? Doubt it... I see it in the same way.

I also doubt Cindy has a child that weighs half a ton, nor does she saddle them up and ride them....or keep them outside in a pasture....and if she does then maybe we need to be discussing how she mistreats her kids and not how wrong she is about this horse.

[Jess!]

Originally Posted by JumpsxGlory

I believe I did answer your question before when I said I needed to at least work with the horse for a short period of time to get a feel. So yes, I did answer it. You cannot jump into training a horse without having a feel for them.



I don't get what your saying

To me pain should not be used to teach a horse a lesson. There are ways around it and maybe if more thought would have been put in, not saying you didn't think enough in the first place cindy, a better way could of been found that got you the same result. You wouldn't zap or hit your kid for doing something wrong would you?? Doubt it... I see it in the same way.

There in lies the difference. Kids are a LOT different than horses. Because firstly - kids can communicate with us verbally, not just physically like a horse. Kids are also not 1000+ pound animals that have a flight or fight instinct, which they've had for thousands of years.

And yes, if my kid didn't listen to my warnings about something, they'd get a swat on the butt for misbehaving. I was raised that way, and I my kids will be as well.

[JumpsxGlory]

Originally Posted by PaintedPNH

Well if you don't have a "feel" for this horse how can you say Cindy was wrong!?!?!?!?!?!!?

And I'm saying, you let your horses win. You probably never get on their case about anything. Like the yearling that is now just hangin out in the stall. Send him to me of HHF and you may just have a nice colt in 30 days because we do what needs to be done to get the answers we want. And this doesn't always mean being a mean scary human. Sometimes a horse needs a spur in the side and the crack of a crop or lounge whip. They need to get it into their heads that they won't get away with whatever they want. Your horses have yet to learn this lesson.

I can say it is wrong IMO because I do not believe in methods like that where the horse learns not to do somethg through pain like that.

I don't know how you can even base that off anything because you have never seen me ride in person or work in situations where punishment is needed, and yes it is at times. If my horse did something wrong, you bet I'll get on his case! If he bolts for whatever reason, I'll correct, if he nips he'll get nipped back, if he gets in my space he'll get pushed away. So yes, I will set a horse in there place when they ask for it but I will not cause them extensive pain. I would love to send him to someone but he is NOT mine, I have hinted towards the owner that he needs it but I cannot do much about it when it isn't my horse. I agree, spurs are needed at times and so are crops so long as they are used properly without pain. I use to ride with spurs, do on occasion still, and I use a dressage whip often while doing dressage.

[PaintedPNH]

Originally Posted by JumpsxGlory

I can say it is wrong IMO because I do not believe in methods like that where the horse learns not to do somethg through pain like that.

I don't know how you can even base that off anything because you have never seen me ride in person or work in situations where punishment is needed, and yes it is at times. If my horse did something wrong, you bet I'll get on his case! If he bolts for whatever reason, I'll correct, if he nips he'll get nipped back, if he gets in my space he'll get pushed away. So yes, I will set a horse in there place when they ask for it but I will not cause them extensive pain. I would love to send him to someone but he is NOT mine, I have hinted towards the owner that he needs it but I cannot do much about it when it isn't my horse. I agree, spurs are needed at times and so are crops so long as they are used properly without pain. I use to ride with spurs, do on occasion still, and I use a dressage whip often while doing dressage.

You know what. Nothing I say is gonna get through to you.
The thread I believe is titled "Dangerous? Abuse? Or maybe just outside your experience?".

I believe in your case, it is simply outside your experience....outside and way beyond your experiences.

Now, if you don't mind, I'm gonna go tie MYSELF behind a wagon.

[RowdyRio1324]

The last photo looks like the horse is being stubborn and you're fighting horsepower with horsepower..

Now to go read eh thread and see if you gave the answers...