[Jess!]

Originally Posted by JumpsxGlory

Isn't the method your using simply teaching the horse that pulling causes pain to him so he is smart enough not to do it?? Kinda like see sawing the reins, some people do it to lower the horses head and believe they mastered collection when infact the horse is just getting away from the pain. To me, such methods shouldn't be taken. That's like teach your kid not to eat something and putting something in it that makes their stomach upset or them sick.

How do you think horses learn to tie? Do you think they come out, hit the ground, and know how to tie? No, they do not.

And I don't care HOW much ground work you've done, etc, etc - they will pull back eventually to "test" the rope, even if it's just a little tug. Some instantly respect the pressure and back off, and others don't.

It's the others that don't where you need to use different methods. Once they learn to break ties, it's **** to try tying them.

[doublebarr]

JG - should I have just given up so as not to ever cause her any pain and sent her on to the kill house? This was 10 years ago, and she is still alive and thriving and LOVED because she had to have a couple of moments of pain to get the picture.

Had I been the only one that tried to work with her, I might agree that maybe I didn't know how to make it work otherwise, but I was not the only one.

Please re-read the whole thing, please.

[JumpsxGlory]

Originally Posted by doublebarr

JG - should I have just given up so as not to ever cause her any pain and sent her on to the kill house? This was 10 years ago, and she is still alive and thriving and LOVED because she had to have a couple of moments of pain to get the picture.

Had I been the only one that tried to work with her, I might agree that maybe I didn't know how to make it work otherwise, but I was not the only one.

Please re-read the whole thing, please.

I did read everything No, you shouldn't have given up at all but IMO more time should of been put in to it.

[doublebarr]

Originally Posted by JumpsxGlory

I did read everything No, you shouldn't have given up at all but IMO more time should of been put in to it.

OK, then if FIL finds me another one like this, I'm sending it to you and you can try to make nice with it and see what you can do. We did the "make nice" for a full year!!!! Just on the giving to pressure alone. If they can't get it in a year, it's not going to happen that way.

[PaintedPNH]

Since I've been working a lot with young horses I've come to realize that there are times when they really need to get their butts kicked and it isn't mean at all.
There also comes a time when you don't feel bad because they just deserve it.

This horse had been worked with for a long time. Its not like doublebarr worked with her twice and then tied her up to the back of a wagon.

I think you are being very unreasonable JxG.
Not to be mean but how much experience do you have training and breaking horses?

And I just have to add, I commend doublebarr for not giving up on this horse and finally getting into its head. Had it been seriously injured it wouldn't have made much difference anyway as it had a very promising future in the kill pen had the problem not been fixed.

[JumpsxGlory]

Originally Posted by doublebarr

OK, then if FIL finds me another one like this, I'm sending it to you and you can try to make nice with it and see what you can do. We did the "make nice" for a full year!!!! Just on the giving to pressure alone. If they can't get it in a year, it's not going to happen that way.

Never say never, there is always a way. Even if it's the same method, a different approach or angle can always be taken. Kinda like teaching a kid who doesn't seem to grasp something. Just my opinion though...

[Banat]

Originally Posted by doublebarr

OK, then if FIL finds me another one like this, I'm sending it to you and you can try to make nice with it and see what you can do. We did the "make nice" for a full year!!!! Just on the giving to pressure alone. If they can't get it in a year, it's not going to happen that way.

Please do- and I mean that with respect. I would be happy to work with a horse if you find another like this.
I know you weren't addressing me, but I would be more than willing.

[Chester]

Now I have finished cooking, and had time to sit here and imbibe you are all in trouble with my hubby.

A nice belly laugh and a rum has put me in the mood for a nanny nap.

Thanks everyone.

[oldhorsehome]

Thanks for the explanation!!! Sounds like you did everything you could, can't say I'd do it any differently. They say a picture's worth a thousand words. Guess we should think about our words before we say them, hum??

Great pics, BTW.

[JumpsxGlory]

Originally Posted by PaintedPNH

Since I've been working a lot with young horses I've come to realize that there are times when they really need to get their butts kicked and it isn't mean at all.
There also comes a time when you don't feel bad because they just deserve it.

This horse had been worked with for a long time. Its not like doublebarr worked with her twice and then tied her up to the back of a wagon.

I think you are being very unreasonable JxG.
Not to be mean but how much experience do you have training and breaking horses?

And I just have to add, I commend doublebarr for not giving up on this horse and finally getting into its head. Had it been seriously injured it wouldn't have made much difference anyway as it had a very promising future in the kill pen had the problem not been fixed.

I don't see how I'm being unreasonable. I am simply stating my opinion, which is exactly what everyone else has done. Are they being unreasoanle also?? Not at all. How much experience do I have with training horses?? Well, I worked with a yearling colt for 2 weeks when I came to the conclusion that he needed a very experienced trainer because of his lack of handling for pretty much an entire year. Sweet colt though! Along with that, I did a great deal of work with my horse Ollie when I started taking lessons on him 4 years ago before I bought him, he was pretty much green. Raced, sat in a pasture with no handling of any kind for 2 years, came to the barn and sat around for a good deal of time then I started on him.