[kaotic_cowgirl]

hey all...im wondering if anyone has any guesses on a foal;s colour....


---------------great grand sire:chestnut

---------grand sire: chesnut

---------------great grand dam:Sorrel

sire: Buckskin

-----------------great grand sire: red dun
-----------grand dam: buckskin
----------------great grand dam: bay



----------------great grand sire: red roan
-----------grand sire: chestnut
----------------great grand dam:chestnut
dam: chestnut
------------great grand sire: black
-------grand dam: palomino
-------------great grand dam: chestnut


also the stallion's get for 2005 are as follows:
19 buckskin
11 Dun or Red Dun
12 Palomino
11 Bay or Bay Roan
7 Sorrell or Chestnut
1 Perlino

thanks for any guesses in colour possiblities!!!!

[S.HorseWoman]

Hmm, well first thing, my guess is the sire would technically be a dun, not a buckskin as he has a line to a red dun and not any other creme dilute(which would be a palomino, buckskin, or smoky black). Dun and Cream are different genes, but Buckskin and Dun can look very similar.

Here are the percentages I got:
25.000% - Red Dun
25.000% - Chestnut
18.750% - Bay Dun
18.750% - Bay
6.250% - Black
6.250% - Grullo/Grulla

I had both parents marked as carrying heterozygous Agouti as you can't really know if they do or not unless you have a color test done.

[kaotic_cowgirl]

thanks...ne one else have any ideas??

[S.HorseWoman]

If he has sired any duns out of non-dun mares, then he is defintely a dun. Or another possiblity might be that he is a "dunskin" (Buckskin + Dun) if he has sired any palominos out of "normal" colored mares, such as bays or chestnuts.

Has he done either of those, do you know?

[kaotic_cowgirl]

no i dont know about any of the dams of his babies but he is registered buckskin...not that it means mcuh...thanks anyways!

[JBandRio]

sire: Buckskin

-----------------great grand sire: red dun
-----------grand dam: buckskin
----------------great grand dam: bay

As stated, this doesn't jive. Either the great grandsire was buckskin and not dun, (what breed are we talking here?) or the sire is dun and not buckskin. Or, the great grandsire was a dunskin as mentioned also.

However, if the sire did indeed produce a true perlino, then it's a fact that he carries a dilute gene. This would make me think the dun back in the pedigree was a dunkskin.

We do know that the sire carries a red gene, so you have a 50/50 chance of black based and red based each. On top of that you have a 50/50 chance of a dilute color - buckskin, palomino, smokey black.

The bay modifiers each parent carries will affect your chances of a bay: 2 copies in either parent will make it impossible to get a black/smokey black horse.

[S.HorseWoman]

Originally Posted by kaotic_cowgirl

no i dont know about any of the dams of his babies but he is registered buckskin...not that it means mcuh...thanks anyways!

Being registered doesn't always mean much . They are registered "white" Arabians who are actually sabinos, "roan" Thoroughbreds that are actually greys, etc.

Hmm, I missed the Perlino the first time. IF he sired a true perlino, then he definitely has a cream gene. However, red dun is hard to mix with palomino or buckskin, BUT as I understand it, Dunalino (Palomino + Dun) if often registered as "Red Dun" by default in the AQHA. So, that stands to reason if his grand-sire was a Dunalino (Palomino + Dun) and his dam was a Dunskin (Buckskin + Dun), then he very well could be carrying both Cream and Dun.

So new percentages if the sire is a Dunskin (again Heterozygous for Agouti in both parents):
12.500% - Palomino
12.500% - Red Dun
12.500% - Chestnut
12.500% - Linebacked Palomino (Dunalino)
9.375% - Bay Dun (Yellow Dun)
9.375% - Bay
9.375% - Buckskin Dun (Dunskin)
9.375% - Buckskin
3.125% - Smoky Black
3.125% - Smoky Black Dun
3.125% - Black Dun (Grulla/Grullo)
3.125% - Black

Basically, if the sire is a Dunskin, you have a 75% chance of a colorful baby.

[Shannon]

This is weird too...

------------great grand sire: black
-------grand dam: palomino
-------------great grand dam: chestnut

possibly smokey black rather than true black?

[kaotic_cowgirl]

im just going by the papers thats all (AQHA)

[S.HorseWoman]

Originally Posted by shannond

This is weird too...

------------great grand sire: black
-------grand dam: palomino
-------------great grand dam: chestnut

possibly smokey black rather than true black?

I didn't worry about it too much as the mare is a sorrel and did not seem to inherit the gene, but yes, very likely a smoky black or possibly a very sooty buckskin. It is not that uncommon in Quarter Horses actually since the Cream gene is very common and popular.

Here is an example of a very sooty buckskin: http://equinecolor.com/modifiers.html#sooty. The miniature near the bottom of the sooty section is a buckskin, but looks more like a faded black due to the extreme sooty. Not the greatest picture, but you can see that he is very, very dark.