[Barefoot]

mmmm, well i was confused from the start..... hehehe.

What are you stuck on?

Im confident she's perlino, by the almost pic of her, did you see it? i couldnt post it cause i can take pics from thier site.

[Blistering Winds]

See, with one of the dam's parents Brown/Black, I'm guessing he's a smoky black instead.

And the other being black, there is only one creme for her to be a palomino.....or a buckskin...but she doesn't have the black points...she has the "Creme" looking points if you can call them that.

A perlino is double dilute...so she would need two creme parents to get her to be a perlino.

[BestofPrincess]

Originally Posted by Blistering Winds

See, with one of the dam's parents Brown/Black, I'm guessing he's a smoky black instead.

And the other being black, there is only one creme for her to be a palomino.....or a buckskin...but she doesn't have the black points...she has the "Creme" looking points if you can call them that.

A perlino is double dilute...so she would need two creme parents to get her to be a perlino.

just to help with your stump..
this is a tested buckskin, we have sumed it up that he is really a "smokey brown" because he is bay based, his dam is buckskin, and her dam is "brown" his dam's sire is a chestnut arab....
buckskin

dam

dam's dam


If need I can even show you copies of UC Davis test done on both "smokey brown" and dam

[Barefoot]

Oh i see, for her to be a perlino, she need 2 copies of the dilute, i DID already know that - but im so confused reason has escaped my head.....

Well, its says her dam is black/brown (so for arguements sake lets say she's smokey black) but her sire is black, could they be both Smokey blacks? Bit of a coincidence.

And looking back thru those lines, there are blacks and black/browns.

Im officially lost.

Well lets go back to the buckskin with silvering?

What is this?

[BestofPrincess]

iff both parents where smokey blacks and she is a DD then she would either be a cremelo or smokey cream

[Shannon]

Was *every* single one of her foals dilute though BW?

Also, silver has only been documented in like three AQHA horses over here. Is it more common where you are Barefoot?

[Blistering Winds]

According to Momma's pedigree here at AQHA


Daddy is a Bay

Momma is a Red dun


So since she is throwing Duns from a Chestnut stallion....she got the dun.

She has a bay daddy and a chestnut based momma

So She is a Dun herself without black points?? (Weird...but possible??? dunno..)

Or she is a Red dun.

But if she is a red dun, Silver Hunch would not be a "Buckskin Dun"

He would be a red dun himself, just very very dark based for some reason....maybe liver chestnut with dun????


But he himself would be red based if momma is a red dun and daddy is red himself.



So if that is the case.....(can you see I am brain storming...?? LMAO)

Taken her looks, her pedigree....she IS a Red dun at most. not palomino or is a dunalino and the other "duns" in her pedigree were misslabled as the Creme didn't get recognized........

And hsi full body shot....Wow....you can see the red in his full body shot....

He isn't a buckskin....but a very odd Red dun himself.

So, if you breed to him, he will pass the red gene as that is the only gene he has for coat base.

And he COULD pass the Dun gene since I bet he has it

And if he has the creme as well, he may pass it too.



that is my conclusion at this moment.

So momma is either

ee CC Dun
ee CCr Dun

Only two combinations I can come up with, that take into account her pedigree and her expressed looks and what she herself is passing.


That "buckskin" she dropped this year, I bet is a Red dun himself since daddy was a sorrel. Just hasn't finished showing yet. Or a burnt like big brother.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Blistering Winds

According to Momma's pedigree here at AQHA


Daddy is a Bay

Momma is a Red dun


So since she is throwing Duns from a Chestnut stallion....she got the dun.

She has a bay daddy and a chestnut based momma

So She is a Dun herself without black points?? (Weird...but possible??? dunno..)

Or she is a Red dun.

But if she is a red dun, Silver Hunch would not be a "Buckskin Dun"

He would be a red dun himself, just very very dark based for some reason....maybe liver chestnut with dun????


But he himself would be red based if momma is a red dun and daddy is red himself.



So if that is the case.....(can you see I am brain storming...?? LMAO)

Taken her looks, her pedigree....she IS a Red dun at most. not palomino or is a dunalino and the other "duns" in her pedigree were misslabled as the Creme didn't get recognized........

And hsi full body shot....Wow....you can see the red in his full body shot....

He isn't a buckskin....but a very odd Red dun himself.

So, if you breed to him, he will pass the red gene as that is the only gene he has for coat base.

And he COULD pass the Dun gene since I bet he has it

And if he has the creme as well, he may pass it too.



that is my conclusion at this moment.

So momma is either

ee CC Dun
ee CCr Dun

Only two combinations I can come up with, that take into account her pedigree and her expressed looks and what she herself is passing.


That "buckskin" she dropped this year, I bet is a Red dun himself since daddy was a sorrel. Just hasn't finished showing yet. Or a burnt like big brother.

I just had to quote that all so i could read and re-read it while im grasping my reply.

Ok, i can understand why he'd be a red dun, giving the mumma and daddy. Him being ee and her - well lets say ee with Dun factor. Makes sense that he's red based. I think its more likely she's Dun rather than perlino.

How would he come out like he has tho, so dark? She said he goes almost black to very light throughout the year.

So you can see red in him? Im still learning..

So, lets say she's a dun, im DEFINATLY going to ask for pics of her...

Um, she is a chestnut horse with Dun factor. let me google a red dun - in my head im seeing red roans - my head is going 100 miles anhour right now..
Ok, just one question tho - why are her mane and tail white? (assuming they are other wsie you couldnt pull of Pali reg) Can the dun factor dilute them? I can find any with diluted tails/manes.

arhhhhhh!

[Barefoot]

Ok did a little more research.

The dun comes form the Sire "Oceanview Mr Hunch Bid". he is Silvers DAM's sire. He has progeny registered as Duns. (also blacks etc, so could possible have some not reg as duns but are duns?)

This Dun sire comes directly from hunch Bid who looks black as night but is reg brown, not sure if he masked the dun gene. OR his dam "pine view Miss gold" who was reg Pali, had a chestnut and Pali sire/dam.

So, either of those could have been carrying - well had to be carrying the dun gene.

Im just trying to nderstadn his colour and his dams colour and how they came about.

I cant find the online studbook for the AmQHA? Where is that on the site?

[Blistering Winds]

There isnt' a "stud" book.

If you are a member, you have access to pedigrees. You are given 10 dollars in free look ups, then you have to pay out of pocket.

It is 3.00 to look up pedigree, which has the colors they were registered as on file....if they were turned in.

www.aqha.com

you enter your member number and password for the AQHA in the boxes. Not sure how international membership works if they allow you access.....