[Jess!]

This is Kandee's daddy, Kenos Riverdance.

http://www.kenosriverdance.com/


APHA/PtHA
1997 Cremello Tobiano Stallion

Sires guaranteed 100%
Palomino, Buckskin, Dun, Grulla & Black foals

15.2 hands, 1400 lbs
stout, athletic, outstanding dispostion!

OLWS Negative
A/B Informative


Kandee herself is a bucksin tobiano. Her mom was bay, I THINK. Her mom was MMUSKETS CRESSIDA.

If Kandee is bred to a black homozygous arabian [this is all just figuratively, by the way ] would she produce color? Or pattern? Color AND pattern?! I should send some of her mane off to be tested is what I need to do.

[JBandRio]

If Kandee's dam was not pinto, then Kandee herself is heterozygous for Tobiano. This means there's a 50/50 chance she'll pass that on.

She has 1 creme gene, making her buckskin, and she has a 50/50 chance of passing that on.

We know she is heterozygous for black (her sire gave her one red gene), so unless she is bred to a homozygous black stallion, she has a chance of producing a red-based foal. If bred to a homozygous black stallion, then the base "color" would either be black or bay, with a 50% chance of having a creme added (smokey black, buckskin) and a 50% chance of having Tobi added.

The only thing of value in her testing would be to see the Agouti status - you know she is Ee, you know she is Crcr, you know she's Tt.

[Jess!]

Originally Posted by JBandRio

If Kandee's dam was not pinto, then Kandee herself is heterozygous for Tobiano. This means there's a 50/50 chance she'll pass that on.

She has 1 creme gene, making her buckskin, and she has a 50/50 chance of passing that on.

We know she is heterozygous for black (her sire gave her one red gene), so unless she is bred to a homozygous black stallion, she has a chance of producing a red-based foal. If bred to a homozygous black stallion, then the base "color" would either be black or bay, with a 50% chance of having a creme added (smokey black, buckskin) and a 50% chance of having Tobi added.

The only thing of value in her testing would be to see the Agouti status - you know she is Ee, you know she is Crcr, you know she's Tt.

Thank you!! So basically everything is pretty much 50/50. That's what I figured.

And I don't plan on breeding her for a super super long time, IF ever. She's not really...breeding material, but I might find a stud that could help her a bit. That's if she even is any good at what I plan for her. If not, no breeding for the Kandee butt.

[Appylvr]

Wow! I didn't know Kandee was by Keno's Riverdance! He's a gorgeous stud. I was almost thinking of him when I bred my mare, but then I went with the closer (and a bit cheaper) stud.

My Palomino gelding is a grandson of Far Ute Keno. It's a good line. My guy is so level headed, hardly anything bothers him.

As far as color... I think Tobianos throw color a lot more than overos. I can't remember exactly what I read, but I think Overo's throw 50/50 and Tobiano's almost 100??? Not sure of that though. So you have a good chance for a loud baby. I think for the cream gene it would be 50/50.

[RiddleMeThis]

Originally Posted by Appylvr

As far as color... I think Tobianos throw color a lot more than overos. I can't remember exactly what I read, but I think Overo's throw 50/50 and Tobiano's almost 100??? Not sure of that though. So you have a good chance for a loud baby. I think for the cream gene it would be 50/50.

No. A heterzygous tobiano has 50% chance just like a frame overo does. IF the horse is homozygous for tobiano thatn yes you are garenteed color, but this horse is not homozygous so it is 50% chance.

[touchofdandy]

Kandee is beautiful!

[accphotography]

Appylvr might have been thinking of the extension linkage with tobiano. If the tobiano were linked to the red 'e' (which it would be in this case) then a VERY high percentage (approx. 93%) of the sire's foal's who inherit the 'e' it is connected to will be tobiano. But he still only passes the particular 'e' 50% of the time.

ACC

[Jess!]

Originally Posted by Appylvr

Wow! I didn't know Kandee was by Keno's Riverdance! He's a gorgeous stud. I was almost thinking of him when I bred my mare, but then I went with the closer (and a bit cheaper) stud.

My Palomino gelding is a grandson of Far Ute Keno. It's a good line. My guy is so level headed, hardly anything bothers him.

As far as color... I think Tobianos throw color a lot more than overos. I can't remember exactly what I read, but I think Overo's throw 50/50 and Tobiano's almost 100??? Not sure of that though. So you have a good chance for a loud baby. I think for the cream gene it would be 50/50.

Yep, he's her daddy I hadn't even heard of him before I looked up her pedigree LOL

Nothing bothers Kandee, either. She's settled down extremely quickly, and is so level headed. Granted, she still spooks at stuff on the trail [I think she does it so she's not bored], but that's the "Scarabian" in her.

[Jess!]

Originally Posted by accphotography

Appylvr might have been thinking of the extension linkage with tobiano. If the tobiano were linked to the red 'e' (which it would be in this case) then a VERY high percentage (approx. 93%) of the sire's foal's who inherit the 'e' it is connected to will be tobiano. But he still only passes the particular 'e' 50% of the time.

ACC

Thanks for clearing that up

[Jess!]

Originally Posted by touchofdandy

Kandee is beautiful!

Why thank you!