Color experts help!!

Simply Savvy · 05-07-2008, 01:34 PM

Wow, that mare has a pretty good line going there. What's her pedigree? Is there a chance her dam was dun under the gray?

Mare · 05-07-2008, 02:00 PM

KELLISHA

M, QUARTER HORSE, 1985 Color: gr
Height: 15 H

(CLOSE)
KELLISHA*
gr 15 H 1985
QUARTER HORSEIMPRESSIVE JOHNNY
blk 1980
QUARTER HORSESIR IMPRESSIVE*
sor N/H 1976
QUARTER HORSEIMPRESSIVE*
sor N/H 15.1h 1969
QUARTER HORSELUCKY BAR*
ch 15.3 1954THREE BARS*ch 15.3 1940FULFILMENTch 1949GLAMOUR BARS*
sor 1960LIGHTNING BAR*sor 15.2 1951TONKAWA BAR*ch 1957MISS SUN OIL*
ch 1961
QUARTER HORSECROTON OIL*
sor 1955LEO*sor 1940RANDLES LADY*sor 1938DAWSONS DEE
ch 1954DAWSONS STARsor 1950DAWSONS SQUAW GALch 1950GATOR LADY
buck 1972
QUARTER HORSESKIPS COUNT*
pal 1965
QUARTER HORSESKIPPERS KING*
ch 1954SKIPPER W*sor 15.2h 1945SANTA MARIA*ro 1938SKIPS SIS
pal 1957SIR DUSTERsor 1949HIRED GIRL*pal 1938RED MILLIE KING
b 1966
QUARTER HORSEZARCA MILLER
sor 1963RED MILLER*sor 1940ZARCA CAM 9br 1960RENEE KING
1963PALANOS KINGb 1955ANTONIA NEWMAN1957MISS JODI GOLD
gr 1966
QUARTER HORSEJODI PAUL
gr 1956
QUARTER HORSEPAUL A*
blk 1948
QUARTER HORSESTAR DECK*
b 1940OKLAHOMA STAR*b 14.2h 1915JANE HUNT*b 1933LITTLE DIXIE BEACH*
br 1943TOMMY CLEGGblk 1928DIXIE BEACH*buck 1930FL PEPPER
gr 1946
QUARTER HORSEWAGGONER*
gr + cr 1930MIDNIGHT*gr 15.2 1916MARE BY YELLOW WOLFpal FL GREY BAKER
gr 1939BIG ******blk 1917WARDLAW MARE~1930DEMPSY BOOM
pal 1959
QUARTER HORSEBOOMER
ch 1940
QUARTER HORSEF H BILL THOMAS*
sor 1929 BUCK THOMAS*ch 1921FOURTH OF JULY~1919BROWNIE
b ~1935F H BILL THOMAS*sor 1929STALKS MARE GOLDEN SYMPHONY
pal 1947
QUARTER HORSEJACK DEMPSEY JR
~1937Edit Edit YELLOW WOLF MARE YELLOW WOLFbuck 1912
Her is the Bay mares Dam

accphotography · 05-07-2008, 02:01 PM

Black on the legs and tail could be caused by sooty. You can either test or wait for shedding, but I will stay with pally.

Mare looks bay with countershading to me, but I would not be overly surprised if dun. Don't think baby has it though.

ACC

SuZQuzie · 05-07-2008, 02:29 PM

If I was betting money, I would put in on Palomino with possible sooty gene. Here is a picture of another filly, also genetically-tested as palomino:

"Franka" by Yeager GF.

accphotography · 05-07-2008, 09:59 PM

BUT... I would lay ALOT of money on that filly going gray. I believe her darkness is largely caused by the gray.

ACC

Haas Horse Farm · 05-07-2008, 10:15 PM

Where did the gray gene come from? The dam is bay and the sire is cremello. The bay has a gray parent but apparently is not going to be gray... so where would the gray gene come from?

Anti-Silence · 05-07-2008, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haas Horse Farm

Where did the gray gene come from? The dam is bay and the sire is cremello. The bay has a gray parent but apparently is not going to be gray... so where would the gray gene come from?

I believe ACC was refering to the filly in post 34

Haas Horse Farm · 05-07-2008, 10:23 PM

If that is so... I still want to know where the gray came from... LOL What color are the parents? I have a very white looking palomino with no gray in the pedigree... so I am not sure that the horse in the photo is gray...

RiddleMeThis · 05-07-2008, 10:23 PM

I would assume the dam is the gray right behind the filly.

accphotography · 05-07-2008, 10:48 PM

The dam of the foal in post #34 is gray. This I know for sure from another source.

The foal was even born with a few white/gray hairs sprinkled all over.

ACC

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05-07-2008, 01:34 PM	#31
Simply Savvy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 175	Wow, that mare has a pretty good line going there. What's her pedigree? Is there a chance her dam was dun under the gray?

05-07-2008, 02:00 PM	#32
Mare Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 1,554	KELLISHA M, QUARTER HORSE, 1985 Color: gr Height: 15 H (CLOSE) KELLISHA* gr 15 H 1985 QUARTER HORSEIMPRESSIVE JOHNNY blk 1980 QUARTER HORSESIR IMPRESSIVE* sor N/H 1976 QUARTER HORSEIMPRESSIVE* sor N/H 15.1h 1969 QUARTER HORSELUCKY BAR* ch 15.3 1954THREE BARSch 15.3 1940FULFILMENTch 1949GLAMOUR BARS sor 1960LIGHTNING BARsor 15.2 1951TONKAWA BARch 1957MISS SUN OIL* ch 1961 QUARTER HORSECROTON OIL* sor 1955LEOsor 1940RANDLES LADYsor 1938DAWSONS DEE ch 1954DAWSONS STARsor 1950DAWSONS SQUAW GALch 1950GATOR LADY buck 1972 QUARTER HORSESKIPS COUNT* pal 1965 QUARTER HORSESKIPPERS KING* ch 1954SKIPPER Wsor 15.2h 1945SANTA MARIAro 1938SKIPS SIS pal 1957SIR DUSTERsor 1949HIRED GIRLpal 1938RED MILLIE KING b 1966 QUARTER HORSEZARCA MILLER sor 1963RED MILLERsor 1940ZARCA CAM 9br 1960RENEE KING 1963PALANOS KINGb 1955ANTONIA NEWMAN1957MISS JODI GOLD gr 1966 QUARTER HORSEJODI PAUL gr 1956 QUARTER HORSEPAUL A* blk 1948 QUARTER HORSESTAR DECK* b 1940OKLAHOMA STARb 14.2h 1915JANE HUNTb 1933LITTLE DIXIE BEACH* br 1943TOMMY CLEGGblk 1928DIXIE BEACHbuck 1930FL PEPPER gr 1946 QUARTER HORSEWAGGONER gr + cr 1930MIDNIGHTgr 15.2 1916MARE BY YELLOW WOLFpal FL GREY BAKER gr 1939BIG ****blk 1917WARDLAW MARE~1930DEMPSY BOOM pal 1959 QUARTER HORSEBOOMER ch 1940 QUARTER HORSEF H BILL THOMAS sor 1929 BUCK THOMASch 1921FOURTH OF JULY~1919BROWNIE b ~1935F H BILL THOMASsor 1929STALKS MARE GOLDEN SYMPHONY pal 1947 QUARTER HORSEJACK DEMPSEY JR ~1937Edit Edit YELLOW WOLF MARE YELLOW WOLFbuck 1912 Her is the Bay mares Dam

05-07-2008, 02:01 PM	#33
accphotography Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 2,112	Black on the legs and tail could be caused by sooty. You can either test or wait for shedding, but I will stay with pally. Mare looks bay with countershading to me, but I would not be overly surprised if dun. Don't think baby has it though. ACC

05-07-2008, 02:29 PM	#34
SuZQuzie Senior Member+ Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cold, Rainy, and Miserable Central California Posts: 2,821	If I was betting money, I would put in on Palomino with possible sooty gene. Here is a picture of another filly, also genetically-tested as palomino: "Franka" by Yeager GF.

05-07-2008, 09:59 PM	#35
accphotography Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 2,112	BUT... I would lay ALOT of money on that filly going gray. I believe her darkness is largely caused by the gray. ACC

05-07-2008, 10:15 PM	#36
Haas Horse Farm Senior Member+ Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Dixon, MO Posts: 7,421	Where did the gray gene come from? The dam is bay and the sire is cremello. The bay has a gray parent but apparently is not going to be gray... so where would the gray gene come from?

05-07-2008, 10:23 PM	#38
Haas Horse Farm Senior Member+ Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Dixon, MO Posts: 7,421	If that is so... I still want to know where the gray came from... LOL What color are the parents? I have a very white looking palomino with no gray in the pedigree... so I am not sure that the horse in the photo is gray...

05-07-2008, 10:23 PM	#39
RiddleMeThis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 788	I would assume the dam is the gray right behind the filly.

05-07-2008, 10:48 PM	#40
accphotography Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 2,112	The dam of the foal in post #34 is gray. This I know for sure from another source. The foal was even born with a few white/gray hairs sprinkled all over. ACC