Coat Shedding With Chemical Products

ThisIsMe · 04-30-2006, 07:55 PM

http://www.naturevet.com.au/ProductProfile.asp?pr=22

An interesting product, which is supposed to help horses drop their coat with an intense course.

So any thoughts on using an organic arsenic to drop coats? Does it really have an effect on the horses appetite as it claims to?

And no, I am not using this product, or planning to. It's just for discussion.

Kar · 04-30-2006, 08:00 PM

Personaly Id be against it for my horses. I feel the coat will shed when its ready to. Unless your clipping and blanketing for a show horse. I see nothing wrong with nature doing its job. I do mine by grooming and making sure they are wormed and fed correctly.

Hmm on the bad side of this. A shady horse person could use it to thier advantage. Shedding out a horses icky coat so they are able to make a sale.

DressageGirl · 04-30-2006, 08:01 PM

I have heard in effect it is poisoning the horse, thus the shock makes the coat fall out.

I believe that the horse is "sick" for a while (a week maybe), and that appetite as a result of feeling unwell will decrease.

People I know use it readily to drop the coats out, but I personally wouldnt us it.

Great topic by the way..

Shannon · 04-30-2006, 08:01 PM

I'm not quite qualified to judge it but I'm sure it will have a market.

Wouldn't it be beneficial for a horse with cushings or the beginning stages of it?

Sue B · 04-30-2006, 08:23 PM

The primary ingredient is Sodium arsanilate....a toxic substance listed by OSHA as a harzardous substance that should be reported if found in the work place!

DressageGirl was on the right track. It works the way they claim...by increasing cirulation...but they don't tell you "how" it does this. The reason cirulation is increased is because it is a caustic substance that can cause a burning sensation. That must feel soooo good to the hose....especially when they are already suffering slight body irregularities form seasonal metabolic changes.

I just don't get why the horse community will keep putting horses at risk just to make a buck or to stroke their own egos. I have to retact what I said in the "what is cruel to you" thread....this has to surpass everyting I can imagine short of just purposely starving a horse to death.

It would be questionable if it would help a Cushings horse shed. The reason that they don't shed out is becasuse of hormonal imbalances....the hormones that tell the body to shed are not available. This may irritate the skin...causing increased circulation...which migh help, but if the body isn't ready to "let go" of the hair, I have my doubts.

Sue B · 04-30-2006, 08:26 PM

PS...forgot to add the most important aspect of this...Sodium arsanilate is toxic to the liver.

DressageGirl · 04-30-2006, 08:29 PM

SueB, would it work like say chemotherapy for cancer patients?

I am not fully aware of what it does, however I work in a sawmill where we treat timber with CCA (Copper, Chrome and Arsenic), and the deadly part of the mixture is the arsenic.

We have to test our staff regularely for levels of these substances in their blood (urine). These substances can cause long term damage on the kidneys, as well as the immune system.

I am assuming this is the same for horses.

Can you explain this more please?

DressageGirl · 04-30-2006, 08:38 PM

Oops, liver not kidneys........

Sue B · 04-30-2006, 09:02 PM

In the very basic sense....I would have to believe that it works similar to chemotherapy.

It has been used in pigs and chickens to treat some diseases and the research that came out of that indicated that it causes: blindness, damage to varying degrees to the inner ear/hearing, and yes, it is damaging to the kidneys...essentailly toxic to them. Since toxins are clensed from the body via the liver....it would also have the potential to not only damage the liver, but to also result in a deadly toxic build-up.

Its resemblence to chemo would be that each essentially works by injecting toxins into the body to stimulate and at the same time "kill".

I have a rule of thumb at my barn...if I wouldn't put it in my body, I wouldn't put it in my horse's either!

Shannon · 04-30-2006, 09:21 PM

My mom's on a low dose of chemotherapy, but not for cancer. She has rheumatoid arthritis and the Methotrexate is the only thing that works.

I think in some cases it may be necessary, but definitely not worth it for something as trivial as aiding the shedding process.

04-30-2006, 07:55 PM	#1
ThisIsMe Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 2,456 Images: 118	Coat Shedding With Chemical Products http://www.naturevet.com.au/ProductProfile.asp?pr=22 An interesting product, which is supposed to help horses drop their coat with an intense course. So any thoughts on using an organic arsenic to drop coats? Does it really have an effect on the horses appetite as it claims to? And no, I am not using this product, or planning to. It's just for discussion.

04-30-2006, 08:00 PM	#2
Kar Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,075 Images: 406	Personaly Id be against it for my horses. I feel the coat will shed when its ready to. Unless your clipping and blanketing for a show horse. I see nothing wrong with nature doing its job. I do mine by grooming and making sure they are wormed and fed correctly. Hmm on the bad side of this. A shady horse person could use it to thier advantage. Shedding out a horses icky coat so they are able to make a sale. __________________ www.horsehope.com The Lord invented alcohol to prevent the Irish from taking over the world. "This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever" -Sigmund Freud (speaking about the Irish)

04-30-2006, 08:01 PM	#4
Shannon Senior Member+ Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Beautiful Southern California Posts: 6,246 Images: 858 Blog Entries: 58	I'm not quite qualified to judge it but I'm sure it will have a market. Wouldn't it be beneficial for a horse with cushings or the beginning stages of it? __________________ Member of the HGS 20 Pound Club... Start weight: 133 Goal Weight: 103 Current Weight: 117

04-30-2006, 09:21 PM	#10
Shannon Senior Member+ Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Beautiful Southern California Posts: 6,246 Images: 858 Blog Entries: 58	My mom's on a low dose of chemotherapy, but not for cancer. She has rheumatoid arthritis and the Methotrexate is the only thing that works. I think in some cases it may be necessary, but definitely not worth it for something as trivial as aiding the shedding process. __________________ Member of the HGS 20 Pound Club... Start weight: 133 Goal Weight: 103 Current Weight: 117

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04-30-2006, 08:01 PM	#3
DressageGirl Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,163 Images: 174	I have heard in effect it is poisoning the horse, thus the shock makes the coat fall out. I believe that the horse is "sick" for a while (a week maybe), and that appetite as a result of feeling unwell will decrease. People I know use it readily to drop the coats out, but I personally wouldnt us it. Great topic by the way..

04-30-2006, 08:23 PM	#5
Sue B Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,824 Images: 6	The primary ingredient is Sodium arsanilate....a toxic substance listed by OSHA as a harzardous substance that should be reported if found in the work place! DressageGirl was on the right track. It works the way they claim...by increasing cirulation...but they don't tell you "how" it does this. The reason cirulation is increased is because it is a caustic substance that can cause a burning sensation. That must feel soooo good to the hose....especially when they are already suffering slight body irregularities form seasonal metabolic changes. I just don't get why the horse community will keep putting horses at risk just to make a buck or to stroke their own egos. I have to retact what I said in the "what is cruel to you" thread....this has to surpass everyting I can imagine short of just purposely starving a horse to death. It would be questionable if it would help a Cushings horse shed. The reason that they don't shed out is becasuse of hormonal imbalances....the hormones that tell the body to shed are not available. This may irritate the skin...causing increased circulation...which migh help, but if the body isn't ready to "let go" of the hair, I have my doubts.

04-30-2006, 08:26 PM	#6
Sue B Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,824 Images: 6	PS...forgot to add the most important aspect of this...Sodium arsanilate is toxic to the liver.

04-30-2006, 08:29 PM	#7
DressageGirl Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,163 Images: 174	SueB, would it work like say chemotherapy for cancer patients? I am not fully aware of what it does, however I work in a sawmill where we treat timber with CCA (Copper, Chrome and Arsenic), and the deadly part of the mixture is the arsenic. We have to test our staff regularely for levels of these substances in their blood (urine). These substances can cause long term damage on the kidneys, as well as the immune system. I am assuming this is the same for horses. Can you explain this more please?

04-30-2006, 08:38 PM	#8
DressageGirl Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,163 Images: 174	Oops, liver not kidneys........

04-30-2006, 09:02 PM	#9
Sue B Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,824 Images: 6	In the very basic sense....I would have to believe that it works similar to chemotherapy. It has been used in pigs and chickens to treat some diseases and the research that came out of that indicated that it causes: blindness, damage to varying degrees to the inner ear/hearing, and yes, it is damaging to the kidneys...essentailly toxic to them. Since toxins are clensed from the body via the liver....it would also have the potential to not only damage the liver, but to also result in a deadly toxic build-up. Its resemblence to chemo would be that each essentially works by injecting toxins into the body to stimulate and at the same time "kill". I have a rule of thumb at my barn...if I wouldn't put it in my body, I wouldn't put it in my horse's either!