chocolate palomino

QHgin · 03-01-2006, 04:35 PM

Is it possible to get a chocolate palomino out of a buckskin mare? if so what color does the stallion need to be?

Dandy_Brush · 03-01-2006, 04:38 PM

I'v never heard of a chocolate palomino
What a cool colour!!!!!!!!

BornToRide · 03-01-2006, 05:14 PM

never heard of that color before! sounds neat

prettyqtrs · 03-01-2006, 05:17 PM

Chocolate is just a shade of palomino.
However, I have heard that breeding perlino (or cremello) to liver chestnut (a shade of chestnut) often gives a possibility of a chocolate palomino. But I dont think that's a garuntee...as 'chocolate' is just a shade of the color as is 'smutty' buckskin, 'buttermilk' buckskin, 'liver' chestnut, etc.

We have a palomino filly that we bought last summer (she just turned a year old in February). She was chocolate as chocolate could be and now with her winter coat she is still dark but she's more of a deep golden/bronze color. She is out of a grulla (with a cream gene) stallion and a sorrel mare.
Here she is over summer:

And here she is just a few weeks ago:

And really crossing a buckskin to A LOT of various colors would give you the possibility of palomino as long as neither horse is homozygous black. If you go to this site it will give you what color possibilities you have when crossing a buckskin to "x" color.

Best wishes!

Gallop N Gal · 03-01-2006, 05:18 PM

Heres a chocolate palomino:

it said they are REALLY rare!! Im guessing you breed a liver chestnut with a palomino???

EDIT:Whoops we musta been typing at the same time prettyqtrs!!!lol

BornToRide · 03-01-2006, 05:21 PM

ooooooooooo there pretty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

Shannon · 03-01-2006, 05:52 PM

In order to get ANY palomino with a buckskin mare, she would have to be heterozygous black. If she's homozygous, she can't throw a palomino. Your best bet to get any sort of palomino would be to breed her to a cremello, NOT a perlino and NOT a chocolate palomino. If she's hetero black, she'd throw 50% buckskin 50% palomino (with a chance of smokey black depending on both parent's Agouti genes). If she's homozygous black, she'd only throw buckskin, and again, a chance of smokey black depending on the Agouti genes of both parents.

No way to guarantee a chocolate palomino, sorry!

Peg D · 03-01-2006, 06:00 PM

IMO Chocolates are thee most beeeeeautiful horse on the planet....

Sorry this does not answer your question, I really don't know.

Shannon · 03-01-2006, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peg D

IMO Chocolates are thee most beeeeeautiful horse on the planet....

Sorry this does not answer your question, I really don't know.

I could not agree more

I think UC Davis' next venture should be to determine what genes make for a chocolate

JBandRio · 03-01-2006, 06:47 PM

Yes, it's generally thought that the darker the shade of chestnut, the greater the chance of a darker, chocolatier palomino. Of course it's still no guarantee, just as breeding liver to liver doesn't guarantee liver.

So, you have a buckskin mare. If you want to guaranteed the dilute part, you'll need either a cremello or perlino stallion.

But to increase your chances of the palomino (red based) part, you'll need the cremello.

Beyond THAT, if you mare is homozygous for black, meaning she has no red, you have zero chance of a palomino.

If the mare is heterozygous black then you have a 50/50 chance of either a red or black based foal. If you get the red based foal, you then have another 50/50 chance of a palomino and a 50/50 chance of a cremello. So essentially a 25% chance of paly and 25% chance of cremello.

These types of questions are what lead breeders to have their breeding stock (stallions mostly) tested for homozygous or heterozygous black, to know what the chances are, if any, for red-based foals.

03-01-2006, 04:35 PM	#1
QHgin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eden, NC Posts: 1,332 Images: 256	chocolate palomino Is it possible to get a chocolate palomino out of a buckskin mare? if so what color does the stallion need to be?

03-01-2006, 04:38 PM	#2
Dandy_Brush Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ottawa Ont. Posts: 3,577 Images: 59 Blog Entries: 48	I'v never heard of a chocolate palomino What a cool colour!!!!!!!! __________________ Arise now, arise Riders of Theoden! Dire deeds awake, dark it is eastward. Let horse be bridled, horn be sounded! Forth Eorlingas!

03-01-2006, 05:14 PM	#3
BornToRide Senior Member+ Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,005 Images: 192	never heard of that color before! sounds neat __________________ There are times when you can trust a horse, times when you can't and times when you have to. got to get the bagel with the cream cheeze oh the creamy creamy cheeze eh Blistering Winds? lmao

03-01-2006, 05:18 PM	#5
Gallop N Gal Senior Member+ Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Land O' Cheese Posts: 3,910 Images: 680 Blog Entries: 2	Heres a chocolate palomino: it said they are REALLY rare!! Im guessing you breed a liver chestnut with a palomino??? EDIT:Whoops we musta been typing at the same time prettyqtrs!!!lol __________________ *It Takes More Muscles to Frown* ......Than to Smile!**

03-01-2006, 05:21 PM	#6
BornToRide Senior Member+ Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,005 Images: 192	ooooooooooo there pretty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol __________________ There are times when you can trust a horse, times when you can't and times when you have to. got to get the bagel with the cream cheeze oh the creamy creamy cheeze eh Blistering Winds? lmao

03-01-2006, 05:17 PM	#4
prettyqtrs Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,886	Chocolate is just a shade of palomino. However, I have heard that breeding perlino (or cremello) to liver chestnut (a shade of chestnut) often gives a possibility of a chocolate palomino. But I dont think that's a garuntee...as 'chocolate' is just a shade of the color as is 'smutty' buckskin, 'buttermilk' buckskin, 'liver' chestnut, etc. We have a palomino filly that we bought last summer (she just turned a year old in February). She was chocolate as chocolate could be and now with her winter coat she is still dark but she's more of a deep golden/bronze color. She is out of a grulla (with a cream gene) stallion and a sorrel mare. Here she is over summer: And here she is just a few weeks ago: And really crossing a buckskin to A LOT of various colors would give you the possibility of palomino as long as neither horse is homozygous black. If you go to this site it will give you what color possibilities you have when crossing a buckskin to "x" color. Best wishes!

03-01-2006, 05:52 PM	#7
Shannon Senior Member+ Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Beautiful Southern California Posts: 6,355 Images: 896 Blog Entries: 58	In order to get ANY palomino with a buckskin mare, she would have to be heterozygous black. If she's homozygous, she can't throw a palomino. Your best bet to get any sort of palomino would be to breed her to a cremello, NOT a perlino and NOT a chocolate palomino. If she's hetero black, she'd throw 50% buckskin 50% palomino (with a chance of smokey black depending on both parent's Agouti genes). If she's homozygous black, she'd only throw buckskin, and again, a chance of smokey black depending on the Agouti genes of both parents. No way to guarantee a chocolate palomino, sorry! __________________ Member of the HGS 20 Pound Club... Start weight: 133 Goal Weight: 103 Current Weight: 117

03-01-2006, 06:00 PM	#8
Peg D Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,181 Images: 491 Blog Entries: 4	IMO Chocolates are thee most beeeeeautiful horse on the planet.... Sorry this does not answer your question, I really don't know. __________________ Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Member COL Club- hand over the Oil of Olay and nobody gets hurt!

03-01-2006, 06:47 PM	#10
JBandRio Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NC Posts: 20,864 Images: 127 Blog Entries: 12	Yes, it's generally thought that the darker the shade of chestnut, the greater the chance of a darker, chocolatier palomino. Of course it's still no guarantee, just as breeding liver to liver doesn't guarantee liver. So, you have a buckskin mare. If you want to guaranteed the dilute part, you'll need either a cremello or perlino stallion. But to increase your chances of the palomino (red based) part, you'll need the cremello. Beyond THAT, if you mare is homozygous for black, meaning she has no red, you have zero chance of a palomino. If the mare is heterozygous black then you have a 50/50 chance of either a red or black based foal. If you get the red based foal, you then have another 50/50 chance of a palomino and a 50/50 chance of a cremello. So essentially a 25% chance of paly and 25% chance of cremello. These types of questions are what lead breeders to have their breeding stock (stallions mostly) tested for homozygous or heterozygous black, to know what the chances are, if any, for red-based foals. __________________ - JB Acres, owned and operated by Dynamite animals. - It's a wonder horses as a whole don't just kill us all and be done with their misery. - Keep your voice soothing and low - even when things get western (buck1173) - Rio feels good - he bounced an in-and-out

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