[kmdstar]

Originally Posted by lawquin

May not work for you and you can say my training methods will kill my horse or that it will flip them over but it doesn't. You believe whatever you want. Your saying horses are stupid and they don't have the brains to come to a person? Your wrong.

I'm saying horses don't think like us. They don't think "if I go over to that person, they'll take this leadrope off"

and alot of the time when horses 'don't have the brains to come to a person', they have more brains than the rest of them

[wanton_philo]

One of my boy's pasturemates would not let his owner catch him but I could. I'm not sure why.

I suggest you go with the feed bucket trick. Just always present the feed bucket and let her eat while you put on the halter. Do not let Her eat without putting he halter on. Then take it away once the halter is on and after you are done doing whatever you want, have your friend hold the feed bucket and let the horse finish the treats.

Just keep repeating it and eventually they should come around. Simple operant conditioning so the horse links your friend to something pleasant. Ever watch Jim from the office train Dwight to want a mint everytime Jim restarted his computer? Genius.

[mftowner06]

Originally Posted by lawquin

May not work for you and you can say my training methods will kill my horse or that it will flip them over but it doesn't. You believe whatever you want. Your saying horses are stupid and they don't have the brains to come to a person? Your wrong.

I am assuming that you're talking to me right? Where did I say that horses were stupid and where did I say that your training methods were going to kill your horses, I said that leaving a lead rope on a horse was dangerous and could seriously get a horse injuried!

[all4him]

Is your horse in with other horses? I had a situation where I needed to get a horse and he would NOT come to me but would just run away right when I got to him. What I did was to go into the pasture with carrots and go to him to give him one. Of course he wouldn't take it because that would mean that I'd catch him so I just went to another horse who I knew would stand fine and gave her a carrot. One of the other horses came over and I petted him and gave him a carrot. I walked around a bit and was soon surrounded by some horses and the horse I wanted was standing watching. He eventually came over to me and instead of catching him, I pushed him away! He looked so confused! I walked away from him and gave some more carrots to the other horses and he came back to me again. I petted his face and gave him a small carrot and walked away ignoring him. Soon he was stuck to my shoulder and I walked over to the gate, put his halter on and walked him out of the pasture. I let him hand-graze and then put him back in the pasture, took off the halter and walked away. He really was still so confused.

About 10 minutes later, I walked in there and went to get him and he at first started to walk away but looked back at me and stopped then stood while I put the halter on him. I walked him out of the pasture again and brought him inside, groomed him and put him back outside then left him for a while. I made it such that it was not a bad thing for me to get him because he had associated getting caught with having to work all the time. Within a few days of working with him, he was doing great. He still might play a bit of tag but he knew that I'd walk away and pay attention to the other horses - and just might have a treat (I didn't use treats all the time but just some of the time so they never knew for sure). He's now one of the best horses at the barn. It was quite fun to do some reverse psychology with him.

Maybe explain to her that each time she allows it to happen, it's getting more and more cemented into his brain that this is the proper way to act? I dont' know but sometimes there are some horse owners who are just so thick that nothing you say will work, unfortunately.

[IvyBaby]

My loan mare use to do this constantly and what i started doing was chasing her away from the rest of the herd and making her run hard.
I would make her do this for a while and then let her join the herd again for a minute.
If she didnt let me approach her again i would repeat the process. Eventually i found that she got quite upset about me keep chasing her away and she eventually gave in.
It toom awhile tho and if you do it be extra careful because a few times the other horses would protect her, or it would start a mass gallop lol. When I eventually had her i would give her one carrot as i was leading her out and one carrot when she was stabled and then eventually changed this to just a pat and warm words.
She will still occasionally test me, esp when she comes into season but overall is ten times better.
She also used to rear once i had a leadrope on her and to correct this it may sound harsh but i started looping the leadrope around her nose and everytime she reared the rope would tighten.
She quickly stopped rearing and it also stopped her pulling me whilst leading her, shes like a dope on a rope now lol.
Hope this helps Good luck !

[Midnight Felicity]

I never siad we left her all night without water, we left her in the arena without hay.
The pasture is big enough that she can run to the other end and it takes us a few minutes to get to her before making her run again.
I DO NOT want her to come to us because we have food. I hate training horses that way. However my friend has tried this and the horse moved just as she was putting the lead rope around her neck.
I think the best thing is to try to go in there and get her and if she runs then make her run more....
We can herd her into the arena which makes it easier to lunge her.

[IvyBaby]

Originally Posted by all4him

Is your horse in with other horses? I had a situation where I needed to get a horse and he would NOT come to me but would just run away right when I got to him. What I did was to go into the pasture with carrots and go to him to give him one. Of course he wouldn't take it because that would mean that I'd catch him so I just went to another horse who I knew would stand fine and gave her a carrot. One of the other horses came over and I petted him and gave him a carrot. I walked around a bit and was soon surrounded by some horses and the horse I wanted was standing watching. He eventually came over to me and instead of catching him, I pushed him away! He looked so confused! I walked away from him and gave some more carrots to the other horses and he came back to me again. I petted his face and gave him a small carrot and walked away ignoring him. Soon he was stuck to my shoulder and I walked over to the gate, put his halter on and walked him out of the pasture. I let him hand-graze and then put him back in the pasture, took off the halter and walked away. He really was still so confused.

About 10 minutes later, I walked in there and went to get him and he at first started to walk away but looked back at me and stopped then stood while I put the halter on him. I walked him out of the pasture again and brought him inside, groomed him and put him back outside then left him for a while. I made it such that it was not a bad thing for me to get him because he had associated getting caught with having to work all the time. Within a few days of working with him, he was doing great. He still might play a bit of tag but he knew that I'd walk away and pay attention to the other horses - and just might have a treat (I didn't use treats all the time but just some of the time so they never knew for sure). He's now one of the best horses at the barn. It was quite fun to do some reverse psychology with him.

Maybe explain to her that each time she allows it to happen, it's getting more and more cemented into his brain that this is the proper way to act? I dont' know but sometimes there are some horse owners who are just so thick that nothing you say will work, unfortunately.

I agree with this too, my mare does not like it when others get treats and not her and gets jealous quite quickly! This is also a method i use

[joce]

Originally Posted by lawquin

May not work for you and you can say my training methods will kill my horse or that it will flip them over but it doesn't. You believe whatever you want. Your saying horses are stupid and they don't have the brains to come to a person? Your wrong.

A horse gets that when you have a lead rope in your hand you will catch them. They might pick up on things like feeding time and come running in the evening. But what they will get from stepping on the halter is the obvious next step, which would be "owww that halter hurts" or "owww I should stop moving around cuz this hurts when I take a step". You are not there to teach anything when the horse is receiving a correction for basically walking. All the horse knows is its head is getting twisted around and how would she figure out that is because you can not catch her? Of all the bizzare things I have heard about horses this is a weird one as I don't see how the horse is taught here?

I can not fault someone with a unhandled horse for leaving a halter and a short catch rope on. But this is for a short time and only in circumstances where its the only way you can catch the horse to work, and not a lead long enough for them to step on. I hope your filly does not get hurt but please think this out before using this method again or telling someone to.

[Midnight Felicity]

Oh and she is alone in the pasture. The only thing is she doesnt seem to get tired out.

[kmdstar]

Originally Posted by Midnight Felicity

I never siad we left her all night without water, we left her in the arena without hay.
The pasture is big enough that she can run to the other end and it takes us a few minutes to get to her before making her run again.
I DO NOT want her to come to us because we have food. I hate training horses that way. However my friend has tried this and the horse moved just as she was putting the lead rope around her neck.
I think the best thing is to try to go in there and get her and if she runs then make her run more....
We can herd her into the arena which makes it easier to lunge her.

My mistake, I misread.