[Sandra-A1]

No I would not be interested in taking a purebred and breeding it to purebred of a different type.
I would, however, be interested in taking a grade and breeding it to a purebred in order to "breed up" and get a registered animal.

I think the reason a breed, or registry, is created is because someone had a certain type and look of horse in mind and wanted to preserve it and provide incentive for more people who also liked the same type of horse to come together and share and promote a mutual type of horse interest.
I think that the majority of the horse registries were created with a certain conformation standard in mind. Those that succeed and grow obviously filled a need. Those that came and went did not.

As for a Pintaloosa Registry I do think that there have been one, or even a couple, created before.
While I admit that I am not interested in them, I do not think that there is yet a large enough interest in Pintaloosas to expect all that much growth any time soon.

[countryacres]

Sandra, That is what I do with with my arab/paint crosses. If they are colored I show them in Pinto shows and if they are not I show them in arab shows. Either way they can be registered. This I feel is a good purebred to purebred cross!! I love the paint color on arab body, style, movement, and head!!

[Dancinglite]

Originally Posted by S.HorseWoman

I did look. I can't even FIND a standard listed on the AWR or AWS sites!

Here is for the American Warmblood Registry: http://www.americanwarmblood.com/awrgrading1.htm (inspection and grading)
http://www.americanwarmblood.com/awrguide1.htm (breeding stock inspections)
Again, no standards given that I can find. It says they are inspected based on "head, shoulders, etc." but not even what they are looking for.

Most breeds I have seen that are bred for performance have SOME sort of standard listed, but I went over the websites of both those registries and did not see one. So if you know where they actually listed a standard that gives specifics, please let me know because I had no luck finding it.

EDITED TO ADD: I apologize, I did find one on the AWS site (I missed a link that you have to click). I am not saying that all American Warmbloods are low-quality or mutts or whatever. That is not true. There are many beautifully made, well-bred American Warmbloods out there. Your stud, Dancing Lite is a prime example of what America can breed and that America can compete on the playing field with European Warmbloods and do just as well or even better.

Thank you for your compliment on my guy. I am very proud of what I myself bred.

You are right in that there is no specific standard as the AWS at least ( can't speak for the AWR) is a performance first registry. I have seen some horses do very well that would never pass "breed" standards but somehow could overcome fault and perform. The AWR however is a more breed/breeding oriented organization and as such SHOULD have written standards ( assuming everyone follows them).

Under the AWS they would get a low inspection score but will be eligible for the associations awards by their registration papers. These horses would never receive the 75% requirement to pass breeding approval....and they shouldn't. 62% just gets you registered......that is all ( and I have seen horses some fail their inspection). These horses are NOT eligible for the advanced awards programs ( like the five star...my guy has two...working on three). It is interesting to note that the Canadian Sport Horse is lauded in many countries but the pass ( bare minimun) is LESS than the AWS and while they DO have standards set out in print I shake my head when I see some that pass.

Those that receive the required 75 % ( and very few do...mine did) should look the part and if you look at the approved animals you WILL see standards even if it is not in print.

My main point is that standards or not it is the inspectors that set the standards and I can rest easy in my guys inspection as he was inspected by Ratchel Ehrlich ( owner of Werbellin) and she knows her horseflesh. Her comments on my horse ( she liked him) was..."if I went to Europe to look at good stallions he is what I would expect to see."

[JBandRio]

Originally Posted by Sandra-A1

No I would not be interested in taking a purebred and breeding it to purebred of a different type.

Do you mean different type as in TB vs Draft, or as in TB vs Arab? I'm just curious.

[Sandra-A1]

Originally Posted by JBandRio

Do you mean different type as in TB vs Draft, or as in TB vs Arab? I'm just curious.

What I mean is...and remember I am speaking only for myself....
I, personally, would not be interested in taking a registered purebred of any breed and breeding it to a registered purebred of another breed.
I have no problem with people creating what I call "designer horses' it is just not what I personally am interested in doing at this point in time in my life.

I have specific breeds that I prefer for various reasons. The appearance/look of the horses, as well as programs, events and shows all are what attract me to a secific breed.
I feel that I can also find a specific horse within my chosen breed that will enable me to compete in what ever event/class I am wanting to compete in as well.
I feel that I can find a breeder of a specific breed that specializes in breeding horses capable of being highly competitive in a particular class/event that I might be interested in so there is no need for me to seek out someone breeding a combination of two breeds to get the horse that I need.
I also have to consider where I would be able to compete with the "designer horse" and since I prefer to participate where I can work/show my way up to as high a level as possible (and I can afford ), I have to consider what is available to me show, event and award program-wise.
Since it seems that I seem to find what I am most interested in at the breed specific show's it is only natural that I lean toward the purebred breeds such as the Andalusian, Arabian, Quarter Horse...ect.

[JBandRio]

Gotcha, and absolutely understand The pure breeds have to stay pure, no two ways about it. Even those folks interested in the tb/draft crosses have to acknowledge that even if that cross were to consistently produce very nice horses, they STILL need the pure TBs and Drafts to produce the crosses

[Sandra-A1]

Please don't take me wrong.
While I have no interest, need or desire to create a "designer horse" if someone else wants to that is perfectly fine with me.
I in no way want to force my ideal horse, breed, type, bloodlines, standards, event or usage on another.... and certainly do not want anyone doing the same to me.

I do think that most of the horse breeds are safe as there are enough people breeding them and that instead of trying to creat a "new"breed, the time and effort would be better spent preserving those breeds that are on the American Livestock Breeds Conservancy's Endangered and Critical, Threatened and Watch lists!: http://www.albc-usa.org/wtchlist.htm#horses

[JBandRio]

Nope, don't take you wrong at all!

[GIOVANNI]

i have arabians and i know as long as one of the horses is a registered arabian you can bred to any horse (that has papers) and you can belong to the arabian horse registry as a half arabian.
arabians crossed with another breed i heard makes a really nice horse.for me i perfer a registered horse because if you need to sell it down the line you have better odds of getting what you want for it.

[Lou3]

colour registries are a nice added bonus - but you should not breed specifically for colour. you should breed to better a BREED or produce a great performance horse not to get a pretty colour