Breeding Quality

taliacristianna · 11-06-2009, 08:53 AM

There is just something about nice TWH's. They have such a proud, regal look to them.

I am not all that familiar with the breed but your guy is very striking. I like his build and he has very good bone too.

Decembereclipse · 11-06-2009, 09:03 AM

thanks its been fun watching him grow from day 1

Outlaws_Gunn · 11-06-2009, 09:18 AM

Ooo! He's perty. Lol. I've got a TWH cross w Midnight Mac K and Ebony Masterpiece lines in foal w Mac K and Ebony baby. I'm not a BIG TWH advocate (yet), but I like The Skywatch lines. Good luck w him. I'll keep a look out for him in future 'Voice' issues.

Eastowest · 11-06-2009, 09:30 AM

I think he looks lovely. I love his upright front end and his overall "presence" really screams quality to me.

I also don't know much about breeding and training TWHs (although my true first horse was a big grey TWH mare-- memories!). So I googled Todd Claborn and found this video of him riding a two year old-- http://www.walkinghorsechat.com/video/allamericanxsoliddesigncolt282008.wmv

I really don't know where to start asking questions. Is this "normal" training for a 2 year old in the TWH breed? Are you worried about your colt's future soundness if he ridden like this as a 2 year old?

I am not picking on your breed of choice-- I am coming from a stock horse perspective and and the stock horse industry gets alot of criticism for starting young horses so early and working them so hard for 2 year old and futurity classes-- many breeders/owners have started skipping futurities so they can give their youngsters more time to grow, but when trying to sell a prospect, it admittedly makes it tougher to market and promote against horses who have early accomplishments.

But beyond starting a 2 year old.... is this the "style" of movement that fans of TWHs are expecting from their "best"?

I guess my basic question is, for your colt to become a successful performer and potential future sire, is this type of training and riding what is necessary in your breed?

Laura Lyon
Eastowest
http://www.eastowest.com

Sheza_Angel · 11-06-2009, 10:14 AM

I don't know much about TWHs, admittedly, but I know that he's a quality horse. I can't wait to see how he does in the show ring. He has it in him to excel. I love his presence, build, and striking looks.

Decembereclipse · 11-06-2009, 11:18 AM

eastowest yes this is normal training for a two year old and if he is not ready to start in february i will not have him started i will wait till he is mature enough to start and the big lick horses is the toughest class to show in and thats what im hoping my colt will make and im sure he will because of his movement and looks. His bloodlines are known for growing a lot when started under saddle this is ym first walker and im learning as i go so i dont know if i answered your question or not

Eastowest · 11-06-2009, 04:33 PM

>>>>>eastowest yes this is normal training for a two year old and if he is not ready to start in february i will not have him started i will wait till he is mature enough to start and the big lick horses is the toughest class to show in and thats what im hoping my colt will make and im sure he will because of his movement and looks. His bloodlines are known for growing a lot when started under saddle this is ym first walker and im learning as i go so i dont know if i answered your question or not

Thank you-- yes, it answers part of my question. The other part I was wondering about was if it would be more difficult to promote him as a stallion if he does not show "big lick" as a 2 year old-- watching Mr. Claborn ride a padded 2 year old in the video, it looks really strenuous regardless of how big or mature the youngster would be. If you did wait a year, would it put your colt "behind the eight ball" as far as potential accomplishments that would make him more valuable/more sought after as a TWH stallion?

Also-- more questions-- what about other disciplines in the TWH industry-- what else, other than "big lick", is important as far as people looking for a breeding horse, and will your colt be trained for other disciplines as well?

I am asking because I have no clue when it comes to the THW-- I know with Appaloosas, (besides those bred for speed, cattle or reining) Halter, Western Pleasure, and Hunter Under Saddle/Hunter In Hand are where younsters get shown (In Halter and HIH they can show as weanlings on up, and there is both English and Western style yearling longe line, and two year olds are prepped for WP and HUS).

After the futurities, some Appaloosa show horses stay in just that one discipline, but many, as they mature, get additional training and go on to be shown in other classes such as trail, jumping, western riding, speed events, roping----and if with a youth or non pro, equitation, showmanship-- etc. There is potential for high point English or high point Western, High point All Around, and etc. at our "Big" (World and National) shows as well.

Are there all-around and crossover type opportunities like that at TWH shows? Do many people/horses do that?

You said this is your first TWH-- are their Amateur and/or owner-to-handle/ride classes you can show in with your horse?

Sorry so many questions-- I have never "talked to" a person showing TWHs at a "breed show" on this forum or the forums I am on, and I live a ways from TWH country, so I have no idea what you-all do with your horses at TWH shows!

Laura Lyon
Eastowest
http://www.eastowest.com

Decembereclipse · 11-06-2009, 07:37 PM

the big lick is not hard if they are good at it they have the natural gait i think not starting him now would put him behind the rest and there are english pleasure and western park pleasure. he will be trained as a padded horse and probably only that buy id love to trail ride him for fun and their are owner ameteur classes. i have an appendix so im still learning the whole twh thing

Decembereclipse · 11-06-2009, 09:08 PM

bump for the night crew

easygoer · 11-06-2009, 10:41 PM

Tod Claborne is a good trainer. I will keep my eye out for your colt in the show ring next year...

11-06-2009, 08:53 AM	#21
taliacristianna Senior Member+ Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 1,952 Images: 232	There is just something about nice TWH's. They have such a proud, regal look to them. I am not all that familiar with the breed but your guy is very striking. I like his build and he has very good bone too. __________________ Breeder of Fine Paints and Quarter Horses www.SilverSpringFarm.net

11-06-2009, 09:18 AM	#23
Outlaws_Gunn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The 'Hollow' Posts: 1,122	Ooo! He's perty. Lol. I've got a TWH cross w Midnight Mac K and Ebony Masterpiece lines in foal w Mac K and Ebony baby. I'm not a BIG TWH advocate (yet), but I like The Skywatch lines. Good luck w him. I'll keep a look out for him in future 'Voice' issues. __________________ "We horses don't get to choose the people in out lives.For us,it's all chance" -Black Beauty

11-06-2009, 10:14 AM	#25
Sheza_Angel Senior Member+ Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Gulf Coast Texas Posts: 5,219 Images: 10	I don't know much about TWHs, admittedly, but I know that he's a quality horse. I can't wait to see how he does in the show ring. He has it in him to excel. I love his presence, build, and striking looks. __________________ Tara: Magnum (RSD Dark Victory x Magnums-Anastasia) '09 Arab colt Secret Again (Secret Hello x Miss Bridget) '01 OTTB gelding Angel '01 QH cross mare Kassey '01 TB/Paint mare I Have Been Gobbled by Thom Turkey!

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11-06-2009, 09:03 AM	#22
Decembereclipse Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 492 Images: 26	thanks its been fun watching him grow from day 1

11-06-2009, 09:30 AM	#24
Eastowest Senior Member+ Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 495 Images: 26	I think he looks lovely. I love his upright front end and his overall "presence" really screams quality to me. I also don't know much about breeding and training TWHs (although my true first horse was a big grey TWH mare-- memories!). So I googled Todd Claborn and found this video of him riding a two year old-- http://www.walkinghorsechat.com/video/allamericanxsoliddesigncolt282008.wmv I really don't know where to start asking questions. Is this "normal" training for a 2 year old in the TWH breed? Are you worried about your colt's future soundness if he ridden like this as a 2 year old? I am not picking on your breed of choice-- I am coming from a stock horse perspective and and the stock horse industry gets alot of criticism for starting young horses so early and working them so hard for 2 year old and futurity classes-- many breeders/owners have started skipping futurities so they can give their youngsters more time to grow, but when trying to sell a prospect, it admittedly makes it tougher to market and promote against horses who have early accomplishments. But beyond starting a 2 year old.... is this the "style" of movement that fans of TWHs are expecting from their "best"? I guess my basic question is, for your colt to become a successful performer and potential future sire, is this type of training and riding what is necessary in your breed? Laura Lyon Eastowest http://www.eastowest.com

11-06-2009, 11:18 AM	#26
Decembereclipse Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 492 Images: 26	eastowest yes this is normal training for a two year old and if he is not ready to start in february i will not have him started i will wait till he is mature enough to start and the big lick horses is the toughest class to show in and thats what im hoping my colt will make and im sure he will because of his movement and looks. His bloodlines are known for growing a lot when started under saddle this is ym first walker and im learning as i go so i dont know if i answered your question or not

11-06-2009, 04:33 PM	#27
Eastowest Senior Member+ Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 495 Images: 26	>>>>>eastowest yes this is normal training for a two year old and if he is not ready to start in february i will not have him started i will wait till he is mature enough to start and the big lick horses is the toughest class to show in and thats what im hoping my colt will make and im sure he will because of his movement and looks. His bloodlines are known for growing a lot when started under saddle this is ym first walker and im learning as i go so i dont know if i answered your question or not Thank you-- yes, it answers part of my question. The other part I was wondering about was if it would be more difficult to promote him as a stallion if he does not show "big lick" as a 2 year old-- watching Mr. Claborn ride a padded 2 year old in the video, it looks really strenuous regardless of how big or mature the youngster would be. If you did wait a year, would it put your colt "behind the eight ball" as far as potential accomplishments that would make him more valuable/more sought after as a TWH stallion? Also-- more questions-- what about other disciplines in the TWH industry-- what else, other than "big lick", is important as far as people looking for a breeding horse, and will your colt be trained for other disciplines as well? I am asking because I have no clue when it comes to the THW-- I know with Appaloosas, (besides those bred for speed, cattle or reining) Halter, Western Pleasure, and Hunter Under Saddle/Hunter In Hand are where younsters get shown (In Halter and HIH they can show as weanlings on up, and there is both English and Western style yearling longe line, and two year olds are prepped for WP and HUS). After the futurities, some Appaloosa show horses stay in just that one discipline, but many, as they mature, get additional training and go on to be shown in other classes such as trail, jumping, western riding, speed events, roping----and if with a youth or non pro, equitation, showmanship-- etc. There is potential for high point English or high point Western, High point All Around, and etc. at our "Big" (World and National) shows as well. Are there all-around and crossover type opportunities like that at TWH shows? Do many people/horses do that? You said this is your first TWH-- are their Amateur and/or owner-to-handle/ride classes you can show in with your horse? Sorry so many questions-- I have never "talked to" a person showing TWHs at a "breed show" on this forum or the forums I am on, and I live a ways from TWH country, so I have no idea what you-all do with your horses at TWH shows! Laura Lyon Eastowest http://www.eastowest.com

11-06-2009, 07:37 PM	#28
Decembereclipse Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 492 Images: 26	the big lick is not hard if they are good at it they have the natural gait i think not starting him now would put him behind the rest and there are english pleasure and western park pleasure. he will be trained as a padded horse and probably only that buy id love to trail ride him for fun and their are owner ameteur classes. i have an appendix so im still learning the whole twh thing

11-06-2009, 09:08 PM	#29
Decembereclipse Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 492 Images: 26	bump for the night crew

11-06-2009, 10:41 PM	#30
easygoer Full Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: middle Tennessee - where else?? Posts: 46 Images: 52	Tod Claborne is a good trainer. I will keep my eye out for your colt in the show ring next year...