[Canadian Sage]

Acme - If I got a horse that could do the TRUE all-around (which includes Halter) that would be a bonus to me.

If the baby ends up not being a good halter prospect that is fine too as long as it will be a good performance horse.

But like I said, it would be a bonus to me if it could do decent/well in halter.

As for color, I don't care what color as long as it has "paint" color and isn't a solid (or minimize my changes of getting a solid). my mare is not homozyigous (sp?) for Tobiano, and im not sure about her genetics either, but like I said, I don't care what color it is as long as it has paint markings.

[Acme Acres]

Give me her breeding again. I think there may be a couple of matches out this way that would be well with in your budget. Now, was that $2000 including shipping fees?

If Player's daddy was still around and wasn't NH, I'd tell you to put him on your list. He's as halter bred as they come on the top, riding bred on the bottom and the World Champion he sired is a PLEASURE mare Gotta love it!

[Acme Acres]

If we didn't have Player and were looking at an all around, here's a few I'd consider.
THE SCOTCHMAN (APHA) - SCOTCHMANS MR (AQHA)
The Scotchman is a 1985 Chesnut Overo APHA/AQHA Stallion. Halter point earner. An APHA All-Time Leading Sire of Breeding Stock Halter Horses, siring the earners of 11,330 points. The Scotchman is producing both halter and performance horses that can compete at the World Show level. He's a complete package for your broodmares as many of his foals compete successfully in both the halter and performance classes. The Scotchman himself is well rounded with a chiseled head and alert eye, long neck with a narrow throat latch that ties in at the shoulder well for both halter profiling and pleasure riding. He has good width and muscling in the shoulders and hind end that help produce those better than average halter horses and power to propel your performance horses.
He has sired World Champions and Reserve World Champions in both halter and performance. Here is a list of accomplishments of 72 performers to date:

• <LI class=textlist14V>An APHA All-Time Leading Sire of Breeding Stock Halter Horses <LI class=textlist14V>Earners of 11,330 points - 2,889 halter points, 8,441 performance points <LI class=textlist14V>3 World Champions <LI class=textlist14V>3 Reserve World Champions <LI class=textlist14V>210 ROMs <LI class=textlist14V>65 Superiors <LI class=textlist14V>19 APHA Champions <LI class=textlist14V>6 Versatilities <LI class=textlist14V>Honor Roll Horses in Open, Youth and Amateur <LI class=textlist14V>National Top Ten Horses
• Futurity Winners - Earnings of $100,000+

Noted Get of The Scotchman:

• <LI class=style2>SCOTCHMANS SILVER ($19,881 and 394 points: APHA World Championship Western Pleasure Futurity & Derby Champion; World Champion Junior Western Pleasure Horse; Reserve World Champion 2-Year-Old Western Pleasure Horse) <LI class=anchor>OBLIGATIONS (APHA World Champion Amateur Weanling Stallion) <LI class=anchor>SCOTCH GO SMOKIN (Reserve World Champion Yearling Mare; World Championship Yearling Mare Futurity Champion; Superior Halter, 242 points) <LI class=anchor>SHEZ TALKING SCOTCH (APHA World Championship Western Pleasure Claiming Futurity Reserve Champion) <LI class=anchor>PASSION FOR SCOTCH (World Champion Breeding Stock 2-Year-Old Mare; Reserve World Champion Breeding Stock Yearling Mare) <LI class=anchor>EARLEY JONES (2,143 points: Open, Amateur & Youth APHA Champion; Amateur & Youth Versatility Champion; Superior in 11 events) <LI class=anchor>JACK ASHWOOD (1,952 points: Open & Amateur APHA Champion; Amateur & Youth Versatility Champion) <LI class=style2>MCKENZIES SCOTCH ($9,770 and 100 points: 3rd, APHA World Championship 2-Year-Old Western Pleasure)
• SPITTIN SCOTCH(PtHA World Champion Amt. Western Pleasure, APHA #2 Jr. Hunt Seat 2003 Honor Roll, 500+ APHA points: Open & Amateur APHA Champion; Superior in 4 events, ROMs in 5 events, 2002 Honor Roll Hunter Under Saddle )

Mr Tramp
1991 Black Tobiano
Sire: Imatinkeyssugarbar
Dam: Bar Time Tramp AQHA
Fee: $1,250, LFG, TCSA, Multiple Mare Discount, Pay Pal Accepted

• APHA Superior All-Around Champion • Performance Versatility award • Superior Western pleasure • Superior halter, 149 points • 43 grands and reserve grands • Multiple ROMs • 343 lifetime points
JDS Paint Horses
Shirley A. Schmitt
Fallbrook, CA
(760) 723-8816
(760) 525-1386
jdspainthorses@aol.com
www.jdspainthorses.com

Breeding Fee: $850
Shipped Semen Available


Real Bonanza
1990 Chestnut Overo

Fee: $1,250 , TCSA, OLWS Negative, Live Acceptable Foal Guarantee, Credit Cards Accepted

One of APHA’s leading performance and halter sires. Sire of multiple world champions/reserve champions. Honor Roll, Congress, futurity champions. APHA Champions/Versatility Champions. AQHA registered Real Bonanz
Broken J Lazy A Ranch
Jim, Ann, Bailey and Ella Luebbers
Aplington, IA
(319) 347-6023
RealBonanz@aol.com
www.RealBonanza.com

[Canadian Sage]

The stud fee has to be less than $2000 NOT including shipping fees.

I also found another stud:
Simply Exclusive - Paint Horses, Horse Training, Riding Lessons - Breeding California


Her breeding is:
Tinky Moonlight Paint

She is cow bred on the top, and racing bred on the bottom, but she didn't inherit any of the "cowsense" but she did get the englishy movement from the bottom.

[Acme Acres]

An ex Friend used to collect Simply Exclusive One thing you should watch out for, at least I think, is how old are the horses that the stallion is siring when they win their halter classes (if you're looking for something that will halter). Im not going to say it's not a big deal to win a world title as a weanling or yearling, but there's a lot of pleasure babies that will fit up well as weaners or yearlings, then fall apart for halter as a 2 yr old and up With your mare's pedigree, personally, I'd lean towards Mr Tramp. And there is always that possibility that the foal could end up homozygous for Tobi too , but that certainly wouldn't be my priority.

[Canadian Sage]

Thankyou very much Acme!

I think I will breed to a halter/halter;pleasure stud to get some more of the halter build to it.

So far, my top stud is Mr. Tramp like you suggested.

[wrightdanes]

Hot Rodding Zip is the one! Gorgeous stud.

[littlemoney08]

hmm hard decision

[Lou3]

Nice mare.
She is a little butt high and her back legs are slightly weak conformation-wise so you really need a stud that will "fix" that (potentially) in the foal. With that in mind I would suggest that Zips Heaven Sent is the best stallion for your mare from that selection.
Will Spot ya does not have a good conformation pic on his website so I cant tell about him. If you requested a conformation oic that might help some.
Of the studs posted by acme acres - I would rule out Mr Tramp straight away, he might have won in the show ring but how escapes me completely, he's sickle hocked, long backed, over at the knee totally upright in his shoulder and his neck is badly set on.
Real bonanza is very nice but I would suggest not the best match for your mare.

[Friesiangirl]

I like zips heaven sent a lot a lot