[bnttyra]

Originally Posted by BeyondTheRumors

I agree 100%. The first thing to always look at before you breed is "is this mare registered?" if the answer is no, then don't breed. You can buy a yung foal for pretty cheap, and that way you could be picky about color, bloodlines, and all that stuff. If you want a really young foal check out Last Chance Corral. They rescue nursemare foals, you can adopt them as young as a few weeks.

http://www.lastchancecorral.org/

I don't necessarily agree with not breeding just because they are not registered. My mare is not registered half arabian only because of a signature issue. She is still a good quality mare who put a great foal on the ground. While he won't be a registered AQHA, he will be registered Quarab and a IBHA registry. You really need to look at what your mare has to offer in a foal, not just a pretty color, but usablity, conformation, and disposition. But I do agree that there are lots of foals out there that are not very expensive that would allow you to get exactly what you want. Whenever you breed, there is always the chance of not getting your "perfect" horse and then you have a foal that you don't really want.

[Acme Acres]

Tanya, you're absolustely right, there are legit reasons that a "grade" mare can/should be bred, but there are few and far between that I personally feel meet the reasons to justify their being used. I will say, a good grade mare is better than an average registered mare.

[Tydyecowgrrl]

*its like finger nails being run down a chalk board*

[pookyhorse]

True..but from the posts i assume that this girl is just breeding because she wants a "pretty color"..since that's all what she's talking about.

I'd like to see pictures of this horse first...and besides..with the market now we don't need to be breeding more grade horses..though i do agree that sometimes a grade mare looks alot better then some of those registered ones..

Like some of the other posters suggested, go get a weanling...

[JBandRio]

Lots of people have asked here what colors would be necessary to produce another color, including those with a mare - why suddenly jump on this particular person for asking about the color?

Yes, a homozygous black, homozygous bay, homozygous tobiano would be necessary to guarantee a buckskin Tobiano with a cremello.

Any other pinto pattern is a roll of the dice as far as a pattern being produced. Homozygous Frame is lethal, so there are no live HZ Frames. The only other known, via a test, homozygous pattern is Sabino1 (SB1) and I doubt that's the pattern you're after. There are theoretical homozygous Splash horses, but even then there is no guarantee of anything loud.

[Acme Acres]

No one is jumping on her JB (at least I didn't see any of the posts as that), it's no different than anyone else on this board, we all want to see the best foals produced that are possible. Knowing more about the horse involved would make it easier to point her in the right direction to a stallion that could not only complement her mare but help get her the achieved color she is after.

[haunani]

Originally Posted by Brittni

I want to breed her because I want a baby that I can start from scratch and just be trained my way so I will know everything about it. I am not sure how shes bred. I do not have papers on her.

Originally Posted by JBandRio

Lots of people have asked here what colors would be necessary to produce another color, including those with a mare - why suddenly jump on this particular person for asking about the color?

JB- I doubt any of the people who are advising her are doing so just because of her question regarding color. It's because of the statement quoted above. That's just the type of statement that gets a lot of people riled up and knowing such, I'm actually surprised everyone is being as civil and non-confrontational as they are being. (based on past history of threads like this)

[kyryah]

Originally Posted by bnttyra

I don't necessarily agree with not breeding just because they are not registered. My mare is not registered half arabian only because of a signature issue. She is still a good quality mare who put a great foal on the ground. While he won't be a registered AQHA, he will be registered Quarab and a IBHA registry. You really need to look at what your mare has to offer in a foal, not just a pretty color, but usablity, conformation, and disposition. But I do agree that there are lots of foals out there that are not very expensive that would allow you to get exactly what you want. Whenever you breed, there is always the chance of not getting your "perfect" horse and then you have a foal that you don't really want.

I agree with you. While I personally would not have bred my mare, I cannot complain about the resulting foal. Blaze (my mare) has great confo, (Although a tad heavy headed) and a great mind. Brego, her baby, is amazing. He is an WONDERFUL, smart, well built baby! I would *consider* breeding my mare again, either for a mule foal or a Half Welsh.

A lot of not breeding grade mares has to do with marketability. Either a Haflinger Mule, or a splash Welsh cross WOULD be marketable (and registerable,) in my mind and the opinions of others. I have considered long and hard whether or not to breed my Mini mare. It is honestly against many of my morals to breed a grade horse. However, the stallion Lizzie would be bred to is registered, and Liz herself was registered. Her papers were lost. I would keep the resulting foal. I know that negative things happen, but I have no intention of selling any of my horses. Therefore, I am pretty ssure that I have made up my mind to breed Lizzie.

I see no super problems with the OP wanting to breed her mare. My main concern is that pedigree be taken into account as much as color. You CANNOT ride color. You can, however, ride pedigree. Color comes along as a "bonus." It is fine to breed for both, but not color only, IMHO.

Then there are expenses. It can cost upwards of $2000 to get a good quality, healthy baby on the ground. Is that a better choice than not buying a well conformed, nicely tempered baby for low low market prices? No. If you buy, you know more or less what you are getting. If you breed, it is Russian roulette.

Kristina

[Haas Horse Farm]

Originally Posted by Brittni

as soon as i can upload photos of her then yes, i will upload photos of her. I want to breed her because I want a baby that I can start from scratch and just be trained my way so I will know everything about it. I am not sure how shes bred. I do not have papers on her.

Unfortunately breeding for color does not always work. I have tried for years to breed for a buckskin and gotten brown too many times. Also I was involved in four over sized foals that had issues that resulted in the foaling being dead and the mare being put down. Unfortunately breeding and raising a live birth foal is expensive of there are issues. Buying a weaning will still allow you to raise it and train it your way. I have bought several weanling's that I was literally the first human to touch them... even though they were several months old at the time... I think almost five... They were weaned as I loaded them in the trailer and brought them from KY to MO.

If you want a buckskin go find one at a sale... it will be far cheaper and just as rewarding as trying to raise one. Also buying on already here means you are going to get what you want in color, confirmation and sex. Even the best bred horses can still be born with issues. You cannot predict what a foal will for sure look like before it is born and be 100% right... Buying it already here means you will be able to avoid conformational problems.

[cminor]

And even after spending a bunch of money to get my foal, out of registered stock with decent pedigrees and good conformations I still am not of the pocketbook yet. My mare is having issues right now and I am looking at a 400 to 500 vet bill. My foal has a hernia, and might need surgery so take on probably another 750. Heck for 1250 I could of bought a nice weanling! And if you add in the cost of stud service, extra feed, vet expenses and the recent expenses I am probably pushing 4,000, I can't even imagine the foal I could have gotten for that money.