Breeding and Color

Lucky Duck · 05-07-2004, 07:28 AM

I have a dun QH mare that I am interested in breeding. I'd like to know what possible colors I would get depending on the color of the stallion.

I had found a chart on the internet that listed all the colors with the mare's color at the side and the stallion's color at the top, but I have searched and searched and can't find it! Anyone have this info or know the site?

help!

crazi4horses · 05-07-2004, 07:37 AM

I was wondering the same thing..my mare is Chestnut

shell · 05-07-2004, 09:28 AM

This is a SUPER good place to find out about colors and ask questions.

http://www.doubledilute.com/main.html

CJ · 05-07-2004, 10:42 AM

If I remember correctly, Bay is Dominant of all the colors; chestnut and black are recessive. Palomino is a dilution gene, so you breed palomino and chestnut- if you breed palomino to palomino you get double recessive, and probably will get a cremello. (Altho I did see pal bred to chesnut and the very light mare produced an even lighter filly.) I know a woman who bred her palomino to a black and got a very pretty golden buckskin. (She was disappointed; she said she had wanted a bay and thought the black would produce it. I burst out laughing) Raps' mahogany bay is the happy medium b/t his sire's deep chestnut and dam's seal bay.
I'm raving, so I'm going to back away slowly now...

Rocking BT Ranch · 05-07-2004, 11:53 AM

Little Ducky - maybe one of these will help you.
Horse Colors
Color Statistic Page

Rocking BT Ranch · 05-07-2004, 11:54 AM

Oh good grief !! I meant Lucky Duck...not Little Ducky ! Sorry frown

sunsetacres · 05-07-2004, 12:13 PM

No, bay is not dominant, it is neither. Bay is actually the "agouti" MODIFIER.
It modify's black ONLY and restricts the black color to the points. It does not Modify chestnut, so the chestnut horse will not "show" the agouti modifier, but CAN carry it.
THERE ARE ONLY TWO BASE COLORS:
BLACK - DOMINANT
RED (CHESTNUT/SORREL) - RESSESSIVE

ALL OTHER GENES "Modify" these two colors:

Dilute - or Creme
Dun
Champagne
Grey
Agouti
Grulla or Grullo
Silver Dapple

The dun can be present in conjuntion with ANY combination of these other modifiers. If any of these modifiers are present they show with the exception of smokey black (creme + black) and chestnut with agouti.

Then you have patterns such as:
Tobiano
Tovero
Overo
Splashed white
Sabino

And these don't even get into the patterns that are seen in appy's.
A horse's genetic makeup can contain several of these in combination ie. creme + black + agouti+ tobiano =buckskin tobiano
I know that the tobiano pattern is dominant and if present WILL show. I believe that the Overo pattern can be ressessive and could be present without "showing" on the horse. Someone will have to correct me if I'm wrong on this one. I also believe that Sabino is dominant, however in it's minimal form could look like any solid horse with white markings. A true maximal sabino will be almost all white.

horse_crazy · 05-07-2004, 01:31 PM

*Another key thing is if she is homozygous dun. Which you cannot test for. You will have to go by what colored foals she will thow.

Lucky Duck · 05-08-2004, 02:44 PM

Wow! Thanks for all the info everyone! I think I am going to look for a Cremello or Perlino stallion...

05-07-2004, 07:28 AM	#1
Lucky Duck Senior Member+ Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,357 Images: 58	Breeding and Color I have a dun QH mare that I am interested in breeding. I'd like to know what possible colors I would get depending on the color of the stallion. I had found a chart on the internet that listed all the colors with the mare's color at the side and the stallion's color at the top, but I have searched and searched and can't find it! Anyone have this info or know the site? help!

05-07-2004, 07:37 AM	#2
crazi4horses Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: First left, then first stall on the right Posts: 4,633 Images: 259	I was wondering the same thing..my mare is Chestnut __________________ Honey --- One man's wrong lead is another man's counter-canter.

05-07-2004, 09:28 AM	#3
shell Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The Great North West Posts: 8,841 Images: 306	This is a SUPER good place to find out about colors and ask questions. http://www.doubledilute.com/main.html __________________ “Look, what a horse should have he did not lack, save a proud rider on so proud back.” -Shakespear Marshalltown, Iowa, it is against the law for a horse to eat a fire hydrant.

05-07-2004, 10:42 AM	#4
CJ Senior Member+ Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,640 Images: 48	If I remember correctly, Bay is Dominant of all the colors; chestnut and black are recessive. Palomino is a dilution gene, so you breed palomino and chestnut- if you breed palomino to palomino you get double recessive, and probably will get a cremello. (Altho I did see pal bred to chesnut and the very light mare produced an even lighter filly.) I know a woman who bred her palomino to a black and got a very pretty golden buckskin. (She was disappointed; she said she had wanted a bay and thought the black would produce it. I burst out laughing) Raps' mahogany bay is the happy medium b/t his sire's deep chestnut and dam's seal bay. I'm raving, so I'm going to back away slowly now... __________________ One Mare Can Make a Difference Pinky Ribbon

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05-07-2004, 11:53 AM	#5
Rocking BT Ranch Full Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arkansas-mving to Upstate NY Posts: 119	Little Ducky - maybe one of these will help you. Horse Colors Color Statistic Page

05-07-2004, 11:54 AM	#6
Rocking BT Ranch Full Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arkansas-mving to Upstate NY Posts: 119	Oh good grief !! I meant Lucky Duck...not Little Ducky ! Sorry frown

05-07-2004, 12:13 PM	#7
sunsetacres Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 568 Images: 13	No, bay is not dominant, it is neither. Bay is actually the "agouti" MODIFIER. It modify's black ONLY and restricts the black color to the points. It does not Modify chestnut, so the chestnut horse will not "show" the agouti modifier, but CAN carry it. THERE ARE ONLY TWO BASE COLORS: BLACK - DOMINANT RED (CHESTNUT/SORREL) - RESSESSIVE ALL OTHER GENES "Modify" these two colors: Dilute - or Creme Dun Champagne Grey Agouti Grulla or Grullo Silver Dapple The dun can be present in conjuntion with ANY combination of these other modifiers. If any of these modifiers are present they show with the exception of smokey black (creme + black) and chestnut with agouti. Then you have patterns such as: Tobiano Tovero Overo Splashed white Sabino And these don't even get into the patterns that are seen in appy's. A horse's genetic makeup can contain several of these in combination ie. creme + black + agouti+ tobiano =buckskin tobiano I know that the tobiano pattern is dominant and if present WILL show. I believe that the Overo pattern can be ressessive and could be present without "showing" on the horse. Someone will have to correct me if I'm wrong on this one. I also believe that Sabino is dominant, however in it's minimal form could look like any solid horse with white markings. A true maximal sabino will be almost all white.

05-07-2004, 01:31 PM	#8
horse_crazy Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,067	*Another key thing is if she is homozygous dun. Which you cannot test for. You will have to go by what colored foals she will thow.

05-08-2004, 02:44 PM	#9
Lucky Duck Senior Member+ Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,357 Images: 58	Wow! Thanks for all the info everyone! I think I am going to look for a Cremello or Perlino stallion...