Breeding

Cierra · 11-12-2004, 03:44 PM

lol; oh yes they do!

myhorsies · 11-12-2004, 03:54 PM

I also live near one of the BLM areas in Colorado that have the wild horses. The horses that I have and the horses that my neighbor has are all from the BLM mustangs or are offspring. They all seem to be ok in personality. Maybe we just have been lucky that no "crossbreeding" has occurred in the wild herd!!!! My yearling is kind of wild yet but, she was born in captivity and is still pretty young......18 months. The sire I was talking about was a wild horse from Nevada. We have decided to just keep all our horses (we have 5 mares) in our own pasture this winter. We were just going to keep them in our neighbors pasture but, decided against it because of the yearling and her sire. I definately don't want any problems with her if her sire got to her. We also have a 23 year old mare and don't want to breed her. The vet said that she doesn't have a good breeding conformation. I know what the commitment is to have a foal though!!! Thanks for all the advice everyone!!!! I really do appreciate it!

harli36 · 11-12-2004, 03:56 PM

No they really don't. The boys will go off and form a bachelor band of their own while the girls will stay until they are a little older. The girls will then sneak off to another band and breed to that stallion. It is when people confine the horses roaming area and put them in pens that the horses end up inbreeding. A friend of mine is an equine behaviorist. That was one of the areas she found most interesting. Remeber that we are learning more about equine behavior now more than we ever did before. This is one of the things that they have learned recently. Like I said before it does happen but not often. If it happened that much then there would be so many mutations that horses would no longer exist in the wild.

timberline · 11-12-2004, 04:11 PM

I've seen first hand that mares/stallions that grow up together will not breed each other...and usually it's the mares that will not allow it to happen.

My friend had an Appaloosa stallion (he was recently gelded), that happens to be my filly's father.
He was orginally purchased as a weanling with a filly the same age. They were kept together from day one. The filly was 3 years old before she had her first heat because the stallion did absolutely nothing to "turn her on" and then it was another year before he started to show interests in her heats. Even then she he did she would have absolutely no part if him, she'd kill him rather than let him mount her (and it was only this stud, any other she'd stand like an angel for). The other fillies that were born on the property all grew up in contact with the stallion (not turned out with him, but in close sight and sound). None of them ever had a heat until a new stallion came to the property, then everyone of them came in at once, lol! Like the first mare, they wanted nothing to do with the original stallion when they were in heat, they all wanted the new guy, the one they didn't grow up around.

Abbie22057 · 11-13-2004, 09:35 AM

No no no! Breeding related horses is NOT crossbreeding, it is LINE BREEDING!! Actually it can be a good thing, if both of them are of good quality. It is not advised to interbreed horses with similar faults, but if the stud can improve the mare, it is not always a bad thing to breed a mare to her grandsire, or even to her sire. Yes, you can end up with genetic mutations, but it is not likely.

I wouldn't recommend breeding that close, but it HAS been done safely. My filly has a horse in her background whose sire is Roman Jet, and the dam's father is Roman Jet. Essentially bred to her sire. So it does happen and it can turn out good.

This happens in many animals, cows, dogs, goats, etc., on purpose to try to emphasize a good trait within that particular line. I bred my doe kid to her half brother, was told by several breeders that it should not be a problem. In my case it was more that I don't have another buck to breed her to, but I did double-check that it would be okay.

7HL · 11-13-2004, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cierra

That's the reason I won't adopt a mustang. I live near a BLM and we see the foals of inbreeding all the time. Some of the foals are considered "crazy", hard to handle. In the "band" there is usually just one stallion and many mares. The stallion will then take on one of the fillies to impregnate. I see too many foals that are not "right".....inbreeding is what I call it.

I've wondered about that. Since there is no controls and they are escentially feral horses. But I guess it's the mystique of owning a mustang.

As an example there is a difference between mustangs and Chincoteague, which are often thought of as feral, is that the Chincoteague pony herd is controlled. Mares and stallions are sold off. New Stallions and are introduced.

I know that the BLM does pay some ranchers to keep unadoptable mustangs. I know some people that have adopted some great horses. Guess it just depends on the herd the come from.

SalemWitchChild · 11-13-2004, 03:45 PM

Just to put my 2 cents in linebreeding, as others have stated, can be good..Its done in dogs as well.. Though I would not recommend the father breed..I've heard of grandparents breeding to their granddaughters and thats come out fine..Bottom line, if you don't want to take the risk of deformalities. don't put your filly in with him. Oh and she's too young anyway to breed!

11-12-2004, 03:56 PM	#13
harli36 Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: northeastern Pa Posts: 4,416 Images: 42	No they really don't. The boys will go off and form a bachelor band of their own while the girls will stay until they are a little older. The girls will then sneak off to another band and breed to that stallion. It is when people confine the horses roaming area and put them in pens that the horses end up inbreeding. A friend of mine is an equine behaviorist. That was one of the areas she found most interesting. Remeber that we are learning more about equine behavior now more than we ever did before. This is one of the things that they have learned recently. Like I said before it does happen but not often. If it happened that much then there would be so many mutations that horses would no longer exist in the wild. __________________ The Morgan Horse! Everything else is just a horse. http://www.morganhorse.com/

11-12-2004, 04:11 PM	#14
timberline Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,057 Images: 140	I've seen first hand that mares/stallions that grow up together will not breed each other...and usually it's the mares that will not allow it to happen. My friend had an Appaloosa stallion (he was recently gelded), that happens to be my filly's father. He was orginally purchased as a weanling with a filly the same age. They were kept together from day one. The filly was 3 years old before she had her first heat because the stallion did absolutely nothing to "turn her on" and then it was another year before he started to show interests in her heats. Even then she he did she would have absolutely no part if him, she'd kill him rather than let him mount her (and it was only this stud, any other she'd stand like an angel for). The other fillies that were born on the property all grew up in contact with the stallion (not turned out with him, but in close sight and sound). None of them ever had a heat until a new stallion came to the property, then everyone of them came in at once, lol! Like the first mare, they wanted nothing to do with the original stallion when they were in heat, they all wanted the new guy, the one they didn't grow up around. __________________ *Let The Evidence Speak For Itself...*

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11-12-2004, 03:44 PM	#11
Cierra Full Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sparks, NV Posts: 53	lol; oh yes they do!

11-12-2004, 03:54 PM	#12
myhorsies Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Colorado Posts: 20	I also live near one of the BLM areas in Colorado that have the wild horses. The horses that I have and the horses that my neighbor has are all from the BLM mustangs or are offspring. They all seem to be ok in personality. Maybe we just have been lucky that no "crossbreeding" has occurred in the wild herd!!!! My yearling is kind of wild yet but, she was born in captivity and is still pretty young......18 months. The sire I was talking about was a wild horse from Nevada. We have decided to just keep all our horses (we have 5 mares) in our own pasture this winter. We were just going to keep them in our neighbors pasture but, decided against it because of the yearling and her sire. I definately don't want any problems with her if her sire got to her. We also have a 23 year old mare and don't want to breed her. The vet said that she doesn't have a good breeding conformation. I know what the commitment is to have a foal though!!! Thanks for all the advice everyone!!!! I really do appreciate it!

11-13-2004, 09:35 AM	#15
Abbie22057 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: GR, Michigan Posts: 1,252 Images: 2	No no no! Breeding related horses is NOT crossbreeding, it is LINE BREEDING!! Actually it can be a good thing, if both of them are of good quality. It is not advised to interbreed horses with similar faults, but if the stud can improve the mare, it is not always a bad thing to breed a mare to her grandsire, or even to her sire. Yes, you can end up with genetic mutations, but it is not likely. I wouldn't recommend breeding that close, but it HAS been done safely. My filly has a horse in her background whose sire is Roman Jet, and the dam's father is Roman Jet. Essentially bred to her sire. So it does happen and it can turn out good. This happens in many animals, cows, dogs, goats, etc., on purpose to try to emphasize a good trait within that particular line. I bred my doe kid to her half brother, was told by several breeders that it should not be a problem. In my case it was more that I don't have another buck to breed her to, but I did double-check that it would be okay.

11-13-2004, 03:45 PM	#17
SalemWitchChild Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lawrenceburg, Ky Posts: 611 Images: 39	Just to put my 2 cents in linebreeding, as others have stated, can be good..Its done in dogs as well.. Though I would not recommend the father breed..I've heard of grandparents breeding to their granddaughters and thats come out fine..Bottom line, if you don't want to take the risk of deformalities. don't put your filly in with him. Oh and she's too young anyway to breed!